Asiabound

The grass is always greener. I'm guessing that guy that bailed to CommutAir for the PIC time more than the pay. That 50k bonus (35k after taxes) will knock a nice chunk out of the student loan debt.

Problem is, if you multiply pay per hour X guarantee the pay is significantly lower year over year. I'm not saying he should have stayed at Atlas either. But I work for another ACMI that's arguably worse, and we're finding out the hard way what happens when a portion of your promised pay is tied up in bonuses. The other issue... Why did he go to Atlas in the first place? It's not like anything he/she was complaining about is top secret? He knew what the pay was? I'm not pro management either I promise, I just never understood that logic, I guarantee no one outside HR or above the flight Dept even read that resignation letter.

That said, I wish you guys the best in your fight. For the guys that are that miserable, I'd just say get out. This is the market of a lifetime, even with the cargo slowdown. I moan and complain from time also, but doing it ad nauseum is really unhealthy. You will regret it down the line, truly.

One if the best analogys I've heard is that most places you work in aviation are like a vanilla ice cream cone with poop at the bottom. It's starts out sweet at first but as time passes you start to taste more and more of.... Once it's starts to be all.... It's time to go. Life is to short to be that miserable.

For those that stick it out there, I hope you guys get something this Spring. It's sounds like management is running out of rope.

C17B74

With Great Respect to Elevation:

”Tons of history dorks here. I was inappropriate in comparing our struggle to armed conflict. It's easy to reference contemporary history since most pilots seem to know something about the subject.

Fundamentally it's wrong to compare what we do to combat. It cheapens the idea of combat. For us it leads to emotion when we need to be clinical. It leads to some other bad ideas on our part too.

I took the leap into war analogies. I was wrong to do so. I apologize. I shouldn't have lead us down this rabbit hole.”

*I truly wish this type of responsibility/credibility was more evident in our current environment regarding such terms as “Nazi’s” or other comparisons to the Greatest Generation, etc. Even after having served over 24 years, I can’t even begin to imagine the weight of the world they carried on their shoulders.*

Hats off to you Elevation, with great respect!

Jluis546

Are classes getting filled at Atlas? Or are people running away?

iPilot

Running like the place is on fire.

Turbine1

Word is no one showed for the 767 class a couple weeks ago, don’t know how many showed for the 747 class this week. 30+ quit in the first three weeks of January, a new record. Open time is drying up and 747s are being parked or returned to the bank. Sitting for days at a time on layovers which I’ve never experienced here in over 15 years.

Early reports have the 4 days of negotiations this week going nowhere as usual, the next 4 days of surface bargaining and wasting everybody’s time is not for another 6 weeks, but “completing an improved CBA for our valued crew members is our top priority”. Their top priority is to sell the company and get rid of us.

If this epidemic in Asia continues much longer or grows worse it’s not far fetched to see furloughs start. That would be a blessing in disguise as those laid off will have the time to secure a job with a real airline and leave this career wrecker of a company behind.

We’re only running classes now to offset the massive attrition.

boeingdvr

amen brother

climb150

Rumours about nobody showing up to 767 and 747 classes are total BS. Most recent 767 class had 10+ people.

AboveMins

Heard from an LCA, they were only able to get bodies into that class because they were able to shift folks over from later class dates. Robbing Peter to pay Paul? We'll see what this week's app update reminder... Er, I mean negotiating update, brings. Personally, until management gets serious about righting the ship, I give this place 24 months until it's broken up and the chunks sold.off.

AboveMins

Latest update from NC is posted on Giant Comms. Seems like the time to punch out is now. It's painfully evident that management has absolutely zero interest in running an airline.
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Elevation

I can verify this. The latest update said to prepare finances and get ready to find work.