TiredSoul

Maybe time for a new Union then?
One that can negotiate?
Just asking......’cause

Globemaster2827

I'm not sure why you think the Union is the problem... They're asking for an Industry Standard Contract. Are you saying that all you have to do is walk in a new union rep and they'd roll over? All of the sudden they'd become good people who care about their employees? They could have K4's contract if they wanted it but that's pretty far from Industry Standard - they want more. They've been elected and re-elected unopposed by those who want an Industry Standard Contract. Management is refusing to give them that.

Globemaster2827

They've been doing this every year when it's hiring season in an attempt to string a few extra pilots along. It's great that you understand this but if this kept an few hundred apps from going out then it more than paid for itself... Next year they'll float some other false hope this time of year meant to keep a few extra people around...

WhipWhitaker

Glad someone is asking.

ROBsINtheHOOD

The system is surely broken if management can be incentivized to delay and/or postpone fair and overdue contract negotiations to an underpaid staff of professional employees in the hope of reaping a financial windfall as the reward for this deceitful if not criminal behavior. I would call my congressman.

thepotato232

As an outsider looking in with friends at Giant, it doesn't even sound like that would be the case. Management's long term goals and incentive structure do not seem at all in line with the business of running an airline. Any more money paid into an apparatus of the organization the management considers to have no value is simply a waste, in their eyes. I say this not to dismiss or gloat, only to point out that some well-meaning individuals might be inclined to accept a compensation package below what they feel they are owed in order to "hedge", or (heaven forbid) to "help".

All the concession and compromise in the world will not help a company whose executive management have all but declared themselves enemy actors. I feel for the pilots there, and wish them all the best in their careers. I have not personally had many positive experiences during my long-past time as a member of 747, but anyone who thinks the union is The Big Problem here is simply not acknowledging the nature of the beast, as it currently stands.

Ave8tor218

SKW friend was there today and said they were offering on the spot interviews for class dates. Target range sounded like 1000-1500 hours for the 737 program and marketing it almost identically how all the regionals are. He said talking with them that they are hiring people that meet the following (grabbed off their 2/4 BizJetJobs posting):

Also didn't hire another friend recently because they were too "overqualified" at 2500 TT/800 TPIC and considered a "risk of leaving too quickly." Doesn't bode well at all.

boeingdvr

YES!! That’s it. New union reps, and most definitely the company would start negotiating maternity leave all the sudden.

The union has the bar set high, which is their job. The company has yet to make one single proposal to us.

Elevation

Things are progressing as expected: we are getting nowhere. I don't think selling ouselves short is an improvement, though.

boeingdvr

I agree. As soon as union backs off - it only gets worse from there. It’s a game of chicken for the company - they just don’t realize no one is coming the other way.