Being punished for calling in fatigued. - Page 5

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80ktsClamp , 06-09-2019 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FL370esq

Besides the crying baby or loudly snoring crash-pad bunkmate, perhaps a reserve pilot is assigned an IROP rotation that delivers an airplane and lands at oh-dark thirty, gets a 5 or 6 hour layover then deadheads back to domicile and is assigned a trip that signs in 12 hours later that night when doing the post-rotation schedule check. I think that would be fatiguing.

I did similar back in 2011... got in from a redeye (that was delayed on top of it being a redeye), and they had hit me with min rest to UIO that night. F-bomb'd that one... got paid.

#42

80ktsClamp , 06-09-2019 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 4fans

He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..

I have no idea what you're talking about.

#43

Hossharris , 06-09-2019 08:58 PM

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As a data point, i called in fatigued prior to sign in for a trip after sitting in the ER with a kid the night prior.

It was not pay protected.

#44

Han Solo , 06-10-2019 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisguru

Correct, any reroute must be legal without an extension at the time it is assigned. After that all the normal FDP limits and extensions apply.

Many times this is why you cannot be put back on your original delayed flight that you were rerouted out of. Once you have your reroute schedule any further change must be legal without the extension, even if it was on your schedule earlier in the day.

Legal but not reasonable. I've been rerouted into an extra leg that showed 10 minutes from block in from one leg to block out of the next in order for the extension to be "legal". Then when you somehow can't manage to make that tight turn and are "delayed" into your extension, it's on the pilot to call in fatigued or unfit for duty. The company's ethics can often be suspect.

#45

Two Kings , 06-10-2019 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hossharris

As a data point, i called in fatigued prior to sign in for a trip after sitting in the ER with a kid the night prior.

It was not pay protected.

Maybe we should have the option to use a sick call. If your kid is sick that’s as good as you being sick yourself sometimes.

#46

Grumpyaviator , 06-10-2019 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TSioux55

So a good friend of mine, who I’ve known for a very long time, told me the following: He ran into one of our ALPA guys, who said that if you call in fatigued “one too many times” the company may send you to see a company doctor for a medical evaluation. They are looking to make examples of people apparently.

And no, this isn’t for the 5% who may abuse the policy.

So where’s the FAA on this? Oh, wait a minute!!

Wasn’t there a discussion about the company using its own AME and the possible consequences prior to your last cba?

#47

FangsF15 , 06-10-2019 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

A PD is done via PCS for rotations or reserve on call days beginning no earlier than the next day and is processed by position in seniority order and has to have sufficient reserve availability.

While calling the CPO and having them get involved day of results in the same thing of you not working they trip, that’s technically not a PD as defined in the PWA.

Another data point... (Calling the CPO is reflected as a PD on your schedule.)

I had a trip a couple of years ago on reserve "PD'd" by the CPO after my father-in-law was in a serious auto accident between my commute and report. The NY CPO was awesome, BTW. They even called the next day to check on him, and asked if I needed to PD another day, with zero pressure either way.

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DWC CAP10 USAF , 06-10-2019 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

Another data point... (Calling the CPO is reflected as a PD on your schedule.)

Haven’t had to do it personally so only going by what PWA said...good to know.

#49

BounceBounceBam , 06-10-2019 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

I've been a NY pilot for about eleven years. That sounds right. They run a good shop.

#50

hockeypilot44 , 06-10-2019 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Solo

I'm still not sure how this is legal. Alpa and the company say it is, but to me it doesn't pass the common sense test. The company is all in on this one. Happens multiple times per day during irops.