No but Mako is certainly right. They assign a value to it, whether we agree with that stated value or not.

I guess if you don’t commute, don’t ever travel and don’t have kids that travel a couple bucks for giving up pass travel seems like a good idea, but some of us need to get to work.....

Beware of another IRS attempt to tax the “imputed value” of passes. That was fended off once or twice, but they’ll probably try again some day.

I DO commute. I have a lady friend on the other coast. She is my enrolled friend. I have kids. I go places. For all of us, pass travel is typically extremely difficult and it's significantly worse than it used to be. My a$$ is usually in the JS. With the newest internet grabfest (Priceline, Trivago, Cheap Tix, etc.) and with the airlines' focus on load factor and $elling $eat$ (which is entirely appropriate) it only has one direction to go. That's my point.

You keep saying "a couple of bucks". The combined pilot group has shown through their last two ballots that a couple of bucks is more than adequate and that hourly rate is more important than contractual language (namely, work rules and other contractual benefits). I vehemently disagree with them.

Perhaps I am overly dramatic. But we either need better non-rev language and opportunity, or we need something to take their place. One need look no further than the vacation pass shenanigans that occur every single day.

Non-revving was great when I was a new hire. But I'm planning on buying tickets once retired. I don't want to waste any more heartbeats in commercial airports than I have to. Scheduled 3.5 hour sits in Houston and Chicago and oversold flights while trying to travel have worn me to a nub.

Did you want the gold watch instead? You didn’t give years of service. You worked for a paycheck just like any employee at any company. You weren’t even loyal when you did it for years. You did it because your seniority wasn’t portable. Did you work after your 60th birthday? I don’t think the rest of us have given you any greater gift than that. Those last 5 years were enough to buy FC tickets til death.

earlier this year the southwest credit card had a great sign up deal. Spend $4k anywhere in the first 90 days and you got a travel companion for the year for free. That’s buy one get one free confirmed seats the entire year. Nonrev is BS. I don’t know what you’re complaining about. Isn’t there some kid on your lawn to yell at.

Ouch... I mean show some respect junior, you'll be a seasoned citizen some day. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if you happen to disagree. Qotasautopilot does not like non-rev travel. Opinion registered.

Zenofzin,

1. My post was an overall statement on an internet forum, not a NC-perfected legal statement to bring to the company. Yes... certainly if something like this were to happen, we would expect the NC to negotiate protections for commuting pilots and FA's.

2. I commuted for my probationary period, plus about 6 months, so I do understand the predicament you are in, and appreciate your concerns.

3. I have flown with a number of Captains that commute from crowded locations, and tell me that they often buy a ticket. A significantly more discounted ticket for commuters would potentially help those commuters that operate out of a stressed location.

Even though it is a benefit for ALL employees, everything can be negotiated. I'm hopeful that, as the benefit deteriorates in value, the union will find a way to get us something back for it.

Positive space travel to and from a verified pairing and your home of record, and at least 50% UA discount for JA list. I’d literally give up pass travel for that.

And for those of us that live where we work????? Sorry, the commuter's answer always seems to be get something that only benefits them? Sorry if I don't want to expend any negotiating capital on easing commuting, but that will never make my list. The fact that we can live virtually wherever we want is an unbelievable benefit when compared to any job elsewhere, it doesn't need to be further enhanced at the expense of those of us that chose to live where we work.

I commute and I agree completely. Make boarding STRICTLY by years of service for active and retired people and most problems go away.