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Originally Posted by Der Meister
Sounds like this is spoken by someone who has never had a min day credit. I also think you dont fully understand how a daily credit works by your comments. This is my 3rd airline. I've seen plenty of contract provisions; how thet effect QOL, and what they do to trips. I can say that ADG is the main culprit with the current trips. Having an actual min day wouldn't hurt commutability it might, might lessen the number of 30hr overnights we do. But personally if I'm on a 30hr overnight I'd rather get paid for it.
Unlike the current system where I work so hard on fly days that I give the company a free day. Where they don't have to pay me and I am still obligated to be where they need me. Min day trips will increase credit, thus trips will be worth more or they will no longer make trips with 2 or 3 days with 8+ hrs of flying!
I understand all this stuff perfectly. I'm not as up to speed on "other" airlines as you might be, but here is the crux of this discussion.
1. The ADG is a vast improvement over what we used to have at DAL. We would all be flying at least 1-2 days a month more, with worse trips that paid far less, under rules that we used to have. In fact I would love to see the pilot reaction if the company proposed rule changes taking us back to just where we were in the early 2000s. Riots come to my mind.
2. Other airlines, whether regional or SWA, can easily accommodate a min day pay guarantee, because they have few--or even one--fleet type. Having such a fleet doesn't lend itself to 30 hour layovers. Our incredibly complex fleet, plus RJs mixed in, lends itself to 30 hour layovers, because our quite clever network guys know how to max the resources. If we only have one 717 a day to Evansville and all the rest are RJs, for example, and it is the last flight in at midnight and first flight out at 0600, guess what? 30 hour layover it is. That's not a plot to make our flying lives less than ideal (though sometimes I like the long layovers). It is network maximizing resources, revenue and eventually, lots of profit that you and I enjoy, especially every Feb 14.
3. I'm not saying the ADG is perfect. I have flown plenty of these ridiculous three leg 8+hour days, when what used to be a very nice 7+ hour one-day turn now has an ATL-TPA leg tagged on to a crappy short layover. I don't like that at all. I'm not saying we shouldn't advocate for a min pay per day provision. It may turn out to be everything we hoped and then some. However I will be curious to see how our bid packages look if we implemented them. For the most part there is no "min pay per day fairy" out there, where the trips all look the same but we get paid more. They WILL change. Whether it is for the better or not of course is the big unknown.