That was the CPP. Aviate says apply, app scored, then invite for the hogan. If your app doesn’t score high enough, you don’t get the Hogan. Same as off the street.

There’s so few concrete details, it’s ridiculous. The aviate website is no help either. Doesn’t list partner 135’s. Whole thing is vague, and seems like a sham that can be changed/pulled at any time.

Well Veruca, probably because of the general attitudes of entitlement like this that have recently been displayed by your pilot groups and are manifested in your post.

Sounds like someone tinkled in your Cheerios. Sorry your 175 didn’t get you a defined pathway to a legacy. Do you have anything valid to add or did you just want to ***** and moan about something you have literally 0 control over? I take that back, you could lateral to one of the included carriers, but that would require a choice on your part.

There is no Hogan on for Aviate. There is a leadership assessment that you take in Denver on interview day.

For non united regionals and 135, my guess is down the road United will let you apply and come to Denver to interview. If you get a yes you can come to United after flying 2k hrs 24 months at a United regional.

You think united would want a pool of United brand experienced pilots and allow all the regionals that fly United to apply. If I end up going to United I would benefit United and hurt the others because I can’t go there now.

Aviate seems like a non wholly owned wholly owned that will be a true wholly owned of United with a flow once the FA’s give up their clause. I think everything’s pointing in that direction and United is trying to get their wholly Owned set up to do just that in the future.

So “the hogan” rebranded as a “leadership assessment?”

No one knows how it's going to work.

Not even the people running it.

They've been putting out changes, mistakenly sent stuff out, etc.

Also anecdotally, the percentage for an INTERVIEW accept rate seems higher than the CPP by far, but inexplicably some people you think would get an interview don't.

AFAIK there have been zero interviews, so zero data on that or anything beyond.

I *HOPE* that it is far better than the CPP, which wouldn't be hard, but so far IMHO it's not looking great.

There's SO many ways to not make it in.

It feels experimental. Beta. "Let's see if this works." By the time they get it 'figured out' something more competitive will be required.

Like a real flow.

It's another carrot you may or may not reach.

The best mental attitude is probably: you might not get it, you might not, it's not a real reason to come to a UAX exclusive carrier.

Nice to have if you're here or coming here for other reasons. That's it.

It will also be interesting to see what happens when the economy downturns again.

Money says UAL will ask for it's pilots to flow down to the regionals vs. a furlough.

When that happens, demand CONCRETE language they give something in return. Last time, Continental pulled the ladder up after the flowbacks left is my understanding.

While I agree with a lot of what you said, my guess is that most of the CFI’s getting interviews will get CJO’s. That guarantees them coming to a uax regional.

That’s the only way the uax regionals are going to grow is for young CFI’s to start flocking to them. Also saves them money as they don’t have to improve their contracts. If a guy has a CJO at a major, dependent on him going to said regional, he’s going regardless of the pay/working conditions.