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10-22-2019, 02:48 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
You know, I've never heard a pax or gate agent say they didn't appreciate it. But I have often heard them say they did.
Example. There's bad weather causing a ground delay at LGA. People pull up the weather and see that weather is fine in NYC and start getting ****ed because they think they're being lied to. You ask the agent if they would like you to make an announcement about it. They are more than happy to give you the mike. You tell the pax that, while the weather is nice in NYC, it stinks in DC area. Your arrival corridor goes through DC. Thus your flight, along with a bunch of other flights are rerouted and there's a traffic backup. People aren't happy about the delay, but they are no longer POed at the airline.
Again, it's called customer service. But you go ahead and hide in your cockpit and keep wondering why you don't get a call to a major.
Example. There's bad weather causing a ground delay at LGA. People pull up the weather and see that weather is fine in NYC and start getting ****ed because they think they're being lied to. You ask the agent if they would like you to make an announcement about it. They are more than happy to give you the mike. You tell the pax that, while the weather is nice in NYC, it stinks in DC area. Your arrival corridor goes through DC. Thus your flight, along with a bunch of other flights are rerouted and there's a traffic backup. People aren't happy about the delay, but they are no longer POed at the airline.
Again, it's called customer service. But you go ahead and hide in your cockpit and keep wondering why you don't get a call to a major.
The point still stands to my original post and just because you are trying to derail it by making it seem like top level execs track how often you come out of the cockpit doest make it any less true.
10-22-2019, 03:17 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Um OK, way to pick the most basic answer. Yes, if you are sitting on a ground delay due to weather, it is expected to make an announcement. If there is a passenger dispute, well you are not always expected to get up and deal with it, that's why the company hires professional managers to do that. You know, the ones you call when there is an actual problem.
The point still stands to my original post and just because you are trying to derail it by making it seem like top level execs track how often you come out of the cockpit doest make it any less true.
The point still stands to my original post and just because you are trying to derail it by making it seem like top level execs track how often you come out of the cockpit doest make it any less true.
As for "highjacking" the thread, hardly. You focused on the "stick and rudder" part of being an airline pilot without even mentioning other aspects. When I mentioned problem-solving and dealing with pax, you initially responded that you were told not to do so without any constraints.
The thing is, those "intangibles" that indicate an ability to problem solve in a social environment are probably the most difficult to evalute from a resume, but HR people have to try. They have thousands of apps from pilots who meet the minimum qualifications and, as I'm sure you've noticed over your years of flying, there is little correlation between flying experience and the ability to interact with people. Even my cargo airline puts a premium on hiring FO's who can interact with people all over the world with little supervision and can do so without losing us a contract.
So I guess we can go around and around and you and "greatmoviestar" can get angry and stomp your feet and call me Captain America (I would just remind you as well, to add "Sir" to my title). Or, if you have not reached the professional level you desire, you can take a step back, listen and maybe evaluate how you can improve your chances.
10-22-2019, 04:16 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Well, yes it is. But you obviously aren't grasping it so- in your words- let me "mansplain" it to you.
Your piloting capabilities are something that is usually easy to define. A view of hours, type of flying, type ratings, failures, violations, etc.
Less easy to define is the human nature part of someone, how they interact with people.
Cyio, in his post, referenced flying ability and the fact that flying a regional is no different than flying a mainline. Having flown both regional turboprops, RJ's and heavy transports I would say that's not quite the case, but I get what he is saying. What he fails to see is that the other things, "sucking up" "traveling and paying money" (I assume to attend conferences) is where you can demonstrate an ability or a lack of ability to interact in a social environment with other people. Something that is tougher for people hiring to judge.
This is also a lesson you have failed to grasp. The thing is, you never know who you will interact with in this business. In your case, you obviously have a bunch of pent up hostility. I don't think I've read a post by you where you don't display this. Even a forum such as this where you are "anonymous" your demeaner can have an impact on your future. I've seen pilots blow interviews who didn't even know they were being interviewed.
So lighten up Francis. And remember, it's Captain America SIR when you address me.
Your piloting capabilities are something that is usually easy to define. A view of hours, type of flying, type ratings, failures, violations, etc.
Less easy to define is the human nature part of someone, how they interact with people.
Cyio, in his post, referenced flying ability and the fact that flying a regional is no different than flying a mainline. Having flown both regional turboprops, RJ's and heavy transports I would say that's not quite the case, but I get what he is saying. What he fails to see is that the other things, "sucking up" "traveling and paying money" (I assume to attend conferences) is where you can demonstrate an ability or a lack of ability to interact in a social environment with other people. Something that is tougher for people hiring to judge.
This is also a lesson you have failed to grasp. The thing is, you never know who you will interact with in this business. In your case, you obviously have a bunch of pent up hostility. I don't think I've read a post by you where you don't display this. Even a forum such as this where you are "anonymous" your demeaner can have an impact on your future. I've seen pilots blow interviews who didn't even know they were being interviewed.
So lighten up Francis. And remember, it's Captain America SIR when you address me.
btw, why do you spend most of your day on the Regional boards when as you claim you don't work for them anymore? Gracing us with your sage knowledge no doubt. I am sure none of us are rolling our eyes at you like all those FAs and Gate Agents do.
10-22-2019, 04:27 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
ohhh wow, thanks for mansplainin that to us Captain America. That was quite educational and none of us lowly Regional pilots knew how it all worked.
btw, why do you spend most of your day on the Regional boards when as you claim you don't work for them anymore? Gracing us with your sage knowledge no doubt. I am sure none of us are rolling our eyes at you like all those FAs and Gate Agents do.
btw, why do you spend most of your day on the Regional boards when as you claim you don't work for them anymore? Gracing us with your sage knowledge no doubt. I am sure none of us are rolling our eyes at you like all those FAs and Gate Agents do.
That's ok. You can roll your eyes. I've made it on to bigger and better things. You? And I always asked the gate agents if they needed help. You can convince yourself that you do the right thing by hiding in the cockpit, but in the meantime don't be surprised when you don't get a call from a higher paying airline. Remember, you don't know who is in that gate area.
See that's the other thing with these forums. Advice can be freely given and, if you don't like it you're more than free to ignore it and move on. There is no policy that I'm aware of restricting one to a certain section, but if you can produce one I will abide by it. You probably cant' but until then, and until you get to that summit of your aviation career you might want to take a deep breath, relax, and listen to those who have been in your place. You might not like what we have to say, but sometimes the tough advice is the best advice.
10-22-2019, 05:06 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
One more time, it's Captain America "Sir" to you.
That's ok. You can roll your eyes. I've made it on to bigger and better things. You? And I always asked the gate agents if they needed help. You can convince yourself that you do the right thing by hiding in the cockpit, but in the meantime don't be surprised when you don't get a call from a higher paying airline. Remember, you don't know who is in that gate area.
See that's the other thing with these forums. Advice can be freely given and, if you don't like it you're more than free to ignore it and move on. There is no policy that I'm aware of restricting one to a certain section, but if you can produce one I will abide by it. You probably cant' but until then, and until you get to that summit of your aviation career you might want to take a deep breath, relax, and listen to those who have been in your place. You might not like what we have to say, but sometimes the tough advice is the best advice.
That's ok. You can roll your eyes. I've made it on to bigger and better things. You? And I always asked the gate agents if they needed help. You can convince yourself that you do the right thing by hiding in the cockpit, but in the meantime don't be surprised when you don't get a call from a higher paying airline. Remember, you don't know who is in that gate area.
See that's the other thing with these forums. Advice can be freely given and, if you don't like it you're more than free to ignore it and move on. There is no policy that I'm aware of restricting one to a certain section, but if you can produce one I will abide by it. You probably cant' but until then, and until you get to that summit of your aviation career you might want to take a deep breath, relax, and listen to those who have been in your place. You might not like what we have to say, but sometimes the tough advice is the best advice.
No, you are here on the Regional boards for only one reason and that is to troll and talk down to Regional pilots, compensating for all the things you are missing in your real life. You claimed before you don't work for United, but yet you are here in all the United posts. lol
Doesn't it suck when those you perceive as below you don't respect you anymore? I am sure you are very use to that in your every day life.
Last edited by greatmovieistar; 10-22-2019 at 05:23 PM.
10-22-2019, 05:33 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Your "friendly" advice was to tell a poster what his/her problem is, then proceed to Captain America (and not the one from the movies, more like the one from Generation Kill) mansplain what almost every Regional pilot does day in and day out any way like it was some big new revelation nobody know about.
No, you are here on the Regional boards for only one reason and that is to troll and talk down to Regional pilots, compensating for all the things you are missing in your real life. You claimed before you don't work for United, but yet you are here in all the United posts. lol
Doesn't it suck when those you perceive as below you don't respect you anymore? I am sure you are very use to that in your every day life.
No, you are here on the Regional boards for only one reason and that is to troll and talk down to Regional pilots, compensating for all the things you are missing in your real life. You claimed before you don't work for United, but yet you are here in all the United posts. lol
Doesn't it suck when those you perceive as below you don't respect you anymore? I am sure you are very use to that in your every day life.
You have no idea who I am and what I do in my "real life". If anything you seem to be the one angry at your life and everyone in general. If you actually read my posts you can probably figure out where I am now and where I'm going. Heck, you post in the Delta forum but you obviously aren't there right now.
A few pilots in this thread were complaining about United Aviate. The specific poster was obviously complaining about legacy hiring practices and complained that "stick and rudder" skills were the same in both regionals and majors. I responded to some of the criticism. The response was not welcome. It's the internet. So be it. My kids roll their eyes and don't always appreciate my advice. Your response bothers me about as much their response.
My assumption is that those posting in the Regional area are pilots who wish to move on. As someone who has moved on from the regionals, I gave advice pertinent to the subject. Perhaps I was a little harsh. But legacy hiring is what it is. Learn to deal with it. But you might want to actually take a step back and listen. Again, you have no idea who you talk to. Behind the "anonymous" names could be someone who can help you.
Not all regional pilots are "doing it" day in day out. Heck, just last month I was on a regional jet that got pushed back, sat there for 20 minutes, then got pulled back into the gate all with no explanation. Finally, a gate agent came on board and told us we had to deplane due to an MX issue. No announcement from the pilots who stayed in the cockpit with the door closed the entire time. I'm not involved in HR, but that's probably a good way to get yourself in the "don't interview" pile if a customer survey is given out.
So do as you wish. But sorry, I won't stop posting. I may pull back in certain areas as my experience is no longer pertinent, such as specifics about the current day to day operations of my old regional. But other experiences are still pertinent. If you want to listen to people echoing your thoughts I suggest you go to your crew lounge and complain there. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of atta boys that will help your lack of confidence.
10-22-2019, 06:31 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by blackhawk
frankly, it doesn't bother me in the slightest how you feel and i never perceived anyone here as "below me". Last i checked you aren't a moderator and so far i haven't had a moderator ask me to stop posting.
You have no idea who i am and what i do in my "real life". If anything you seem to be the one angry at your life and everyone in general. If you actually read my posts you can probably figure out where i am now and where i'm going. Heck, you post in the delta forum but you obviously aren't there right now.
A few pilots in this thread were complaining about united aviate. The specific poster was obviously complaining about legacy hiring practices and complained that "stick and rudder" skills were the same in both regionals and majors. I responded to some of the criticism. The response was not welcome. It's the internet. So be it. My kids roll their eyes and don't always appreciate my advice. Your response bothers me about as much their response.
My assumption is that those posting in the regional area are pilots who wish to move on. As someone who has moved on from the regionals, i gave advice pertinent to the subject. Perhaps i was a little harsh. But legacy hiring is what it is. Learn to deal with it. But you might want to actually take a step back and listen. Again, you have no idea who you talk to. Behind the "anonymous" names could be someone who can help you.
Not all regional pilots are "doing it" day in day out. Heck, just last month i was on a regional jet that got pushed back, sat there for 20 minutes, then got pulled back into the gate all with no explanation. Finally, a gate agent came on board and told us we had to deplane due to an mx issue. No announcement from the pilots who stayed in the cockpit with the door closed the entire time. I'm not involved in hr, but that's probably a good way to get yourself in the "don't interview" pile if a customer survey is given out.
So do as you wish. But sorry, i won't stop posting. I may pull back in certain areas as my experience is no longer pertinent, such as specifics about the current day to day operations of my old regional. But other experiences are still pertinent. If you want to listen to people echoing your thoughts i suggest you go to your crew lounge and complain there. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of atta boys that will help your lack of confidence.
You have no idea who i am and what i do in my "real life". If anything you seem to be the one angry at your life and everyone in general. If you actually read my posts you can probably figure out where i am now and where i'm going. Heck, you post in the delta forum but you obviously aren't there right now.
A few pilots in this thread were complaining about united aviate. The specific poster was obviously complaining about legacy hiring practices and complained that "stick and rudder" skills were the same in both regionals and majors. I responded to some of the criticism. The response was not welcome. It's the internet. So be it. My kids roll their eyes and don't always appreciate my advice. Your response bothers me about as much their response.
My assumption is that those posting in the regional area are pilots who wish to move on. As someone who has moved on from the regionals, i gave advice pertinent to the subject. Perhaps i was a little harsh. But legacy hiring is what it is. Learn to deal with it. But you might want to actually take a step back and listen. Again, you have no idea who you talk to. Behind the "anonymous" names could be someone who can help you.
Not all regional pilots are "doing it" day in day out. Heck, just last month i was on a regional jet that got pushed back, sat there for 20 minutes, then got pulled back into the gate all with no explanation. Finally, a gate agent came on board and told us we had to deplane due to an mx issue. No announcement from the pilots who stayed in the cockpit with the door closed the entire time. I'm not involved in hr, but that's probably a good way to get yourself in the "don't interview" pile if a customer survey is given out.
So do as you wish. But sorry, i won't stop posting. I may pull back in certain areas as my experience is no longer pertinent, such as specifics about the current day to day operations of my old regional. But other experiences are still pertinent. If you want to listen to people echoing your thoughts i suggest you go to your crew lounge and complain there. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of atta boys that will help your lack of confidence.
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10-22-2019, 07:24 PM
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I'm confused. I have zero hours and am going to the LIFT academy with the plan of flying with Republic for 5 years and then go to United/Delta/American. Is this Aviate program a faster/better choice for me? Trying to find the fastest path from 0 hours to UA.
10-22-2019, 07:59 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by lightspeed12
I'm confused. I have zero hours and am going to the LIFT academy with the plan of flying with Republic for 5 years and then go to United/Delta/American. Is this Aviate program a faster/better choice for me? Trying to find the fastest path from 0 hours to UA.
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