United Aviate
#21
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That was the CPP. Aviate says apply, app scored, then invite for the hogan. If your app doesn’t score high enough, you don’t get the Hogan. Same as off the street.
#22
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Ok, so you pass the interview and then get your 2 years/2000hrs logged, and then seniority determines the order for who moves on to UA...but at what rate? X-pilots per month? You log 2k hours and then off you go right away? Something else? Is it basically a monthly flow through contingent upon passing the interview?
I have seen this answered yet.
I have seen this answered yet.
#23
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Why did United only include their worst performing and least reliable regionals in their cute new Aviate program?
Is it just a recruiting tool to fill seats at these bottom-feeder airlines since no one would otherwise choose such a poor QOL?
Or is it because they’re UAX-exclusive (aka American & Delta rejects)?
Is it just a recruiting tool to fill seats at these bottom-feeder airlines since no one would otherwise choose such a poor QOL?
Or is it because they’re UAX-exclusive (aka American & Delta rejects)?
#24
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Why did United only include their worst performing and least reliable regionals in their cute new Aviate program?
Is it just a recruiting tool to fill seats at these bottom-feeder airlines since no one would otherwise choose such a poor QOL?
Or is it because they’re UAX-exclusive (aka American & Delta rejects)?
Is it just a recruiting tool to fill seats at these bottom-feeder airlines since no one would otherwise choose such a poor QOL?
Or is it because they’re UAX-exclusive (aka American & Delta rejects)?
#27
You think united would want a pool of United brand experienced pilots and allow all the regionals that fly United to apply. If I end up going to United I would benefit United and hurt the others because I can’t go there now.
Aviate seems like a non wholly owned wholly owned that will be a true wholly owned of United with a flow once the FA’s give up their clause. I think everything’s pointing in that direction and United is trying to get their wholly Owned set up to do just that in the future.
Aviate seems like a non wholly owned wholly owned that will be a true wholly owned of United with a flow once the FA’s give up their clause. I think everything’s pointing in that direction and United is trying to get their wholly Owned set up to do just that in the future.
#29
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No One Knows
No one knows how it's going to work.
Not even the people running it.
They've been putting out changes, mistakenly sent stuff out, etc.
Also anecdotally, the percentage for an INTERVIEW accept rate seems higher than the CPP by far, but inexplicably some people you think would get an interview don't.
AFAIK there have been zero interviews, so zero data on that or anything beyond.
I *HOPE* that it is far better than the CPP, which wouldn't be hard, but so far IMHO it's not looking great.
There's SO many ways to not make it in.
It feels experimental. Beta. "Let's see if this works." By the time they get it 'figured out' something more competitive will be required.
Like a real flow.
It's another carrot you may or may not reach.
The best mental attitude is probably: you might not get it, you might not, it's not a real reason to come to a UAX exclusive carrier.
Nice to have if you're here or coming here for other reasons. That's it.
It will also be interesting to see what happens when the economy downturns again.
Money says UAL will ask for it's pilots to flow down to the regionals vs. a furlough.
When that happens, demand CONCRETE language they give something in return. Last time, Continental pulled the ladder up after the flowbacks left is my understanding.
Not even the people running it.
They've been putting out changes, mistakenly sent stuff out, etc.
Also anecdotally, the percentage for an INTERVIEW accept rate seems higher than the CPP by far, but inexplicably some people you think would get an interview don't.
AFAIK there have been zero interviews, so zero data on that or anything beyond.
I *HOPE* that it is far better than the CPP, which wouldn't be hard, but so far IMHO it's not looking great.
There's SO many ways to not make it in.
It feels experimental. Beta. "Let's see if this works." By the time they get it 'figured out' something more competitive will be required.
Like a real flow.
It's another carrot you may or may not reach.
The best mental attitude is probably: you might not get it, you might not, it's not a real reason to come to a UAX exclusive carrier.
Nice to have if you're here or coming here for other reasons. That's it.
It will also be interesting to see what happens when the economy downturns again.
Money says UAL will ask for it's pilots to flow down to the regionals vs. a furlough.
When that happens, demand CONCRETE language they give something in return. Last time, Continental pulled the ladder up after the flowbacks left is my understanding.
#30
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No one knows how it's going to work.
Not even the people running it.
They've been putting out changes, mistakenly sent stuff out, etc.
Also anecdotally, the percentage for an INTERVIEW accept rate seems higher than the CPP by far, but inexplicably some people you think would get an interview don't.
AFAIK there have been zero interviews, so zero data on that or anything beyond.
I *HOPE* that it is far better than the CPP, which wouldn't be hard, but so far IMHO it's not looking great.
There's SO many ways to not make it in.
It feels experimental. Beta. "Let's see if this works." By the time they get it 'figured out' something more competitive will be required.
Like a real flow.
It's another carrot you may or may not reach.
The best mental attitude is probably: you might not get it, you might not, it's not a real reason to come to a UAX exclusive carrier.
Nice to have if you're here or coming here for other reasons. That's it.
It will also be interesting to see what happens when the economy downturns again.
Money says UAL will ask for it's pilots to flow down to the regionals vs. a furlough.
When that happens, demand CONCRETE language they give something in return. Last time, Continental pulled the ladder up after the flowbacks left is my understanding.
Not even the people running it.
They've been putting out changes, mistakenly sent stuff out, etc.
Also anecdotally, the percentage for an INTERVIEW accept rate seems higher than the CPP by far, but inexplicably some people you think would get an interview don't.
AFAIK there have been zero interviews, so zero data on that or anything beyond.
I *HOPE* that it is far better than the CPP, which wouldn't be hard, but so far IMHO it's not looking great.
There's SO many ways to not make it in.
It feels experimental. Beta. "Let's see if this works." By the time they get it 'figured out' something more competitive will be required.
Like a real flow.
It's another carrot you may or may not reach.
The best mental attitude is probably: you might not get it, you might not, it's not a real reason to come to a UAX exclusive carrier.
Nice to have if you're here or coming here for other reasons. That's it.
It will also be interesting to see what happens when the economy downturns again.
Money says UAL will ask for it's pilots to flow down to the regionals vs. a furlough.
When that happens, demand CONCRETE language they give something in return. Last time, Continental pulled the ladder up after the flowbacks left is my understanding.
That’s the only way the uax regionals are going to grow is for young CFI’s to start flocking to them. Also saves them money as they don’t have to improve their contracts. If a guy has a CJO at a major, dependent on him going to said regional, he’s going regardless of the pay/working conditions.
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