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Old 10-23-2019 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Actually, at least one legacy airline does ask that question in customer service surveys. Now I doubt very much a top-level exec is looking at every one of those surveys, but you can bet HR people in charge of inviting pilots to interviews will probably get that information if a name keeps popping up. In addition, you never, ever know who is a passenger on that airplane and is waiting in the gate area. It very well could be a top-level exec.
As for "highjacking" the thread, hardly. You focused on the "stick and rudder" part of being an airline pilot without even mentioning other aspects. When I mentioned problem-solving and dealing with pax, you initially responded that you were told not to do so without any constraints.
The thing is, those "intangibles" that indicate an ability to problem solve in a social environment are probably the most difficult to evalute from a resume, but HR people have to try. They have thousands of apps from pilots who meet the minimum qualifications and, as I'm sure you've noticed over your years of flying, there is little correlation between flying experience and the ability to interact with people. Even my cargo airline puts a premium on hiring FO's who can interact with people all over the world with little supervision and can do so without losing us a contract.
So I guess we can go around and around and you and "greatmoviestar" can get angry and stomp your feet and call me Captain America (I would just remind you as well, to add "Sir" to my title). Or, if you have not reached the professional level you desire, you can take a step back, listen and maybe evaluate how you can improve your chances.
Actually my posts stated there is no difference in the job. Believe I stated “ we are already doing the same job”. As for Captains jumping out and helping, I have yet to see anyone on any of the mainline flights I jumpseat on do so in the manner You are starting. In fact this just happened last week on a United flight. There was a passenger issue that the captain was made aware of but ultimately a customer service manager came and solved it. In such a litigious and polarized society they do not want some random captain interpreting the rules on their own individual merit.

I understand that at times and for certain things you need to get involved but it is far less common these days.
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Old 10-23-2019 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
If United does what they want to do with this program it will be the primary feeder. In 5 years it may be as difficult to get to United through Republic as it currently is to get to American outside the flow. That’s the whole point of the program. They want more people going to their exclusive carriers. If they don’t stop everyone from flocking to Republic and SkyWest they will be at their mercy. So they are playing the ultimate trump card.
This is an interesting point. If United uses the program in this way, the UAXEs could be staffed primarily with new hires who already hold a United CJO and only need to fulfill their minimum service requirements at their respective regional. Would this essentially be a flow with United preserving their ability to participate in selecting who ends up in their cockpits?
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Old 10-23-2019 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Actually my posts stated there is no difference in the job. Believe I stated “ we are already doing the same job”. As for Captains jumping out and helping, I have yet to see anyone on any of the mainline flights I jumpseat on do so in the manner You are starting. In fact this just happened last week on a United flight. There was a passenger issue that the captain was made aware of but ultimately a customer service manager came and solved it. In such a litigious and polarized society they do not want some random captain interpreting the rules on their own individual merit.

I understand that at times and for certain things you need to get involved but it is far less common these days.
Naw, Captain America Blackhawk were certainly save the day!


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Old 10-23-2019 | 07:05 AM
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His sim instructor just like other pilots probably doesn’t have a degree. Doesn’t volunteer, the older pilot group doesn’t see the value in volunteering n believe it should be about piloting that’s it. Probably doesn’t have a professional resume. They stop applying!!!! Got comfy with their seniority. Nearing the age of retirement. Doesn’t wanna start over. Zero networking, zero events conventions attended. The older pilot isn’t gonna follow a regional chief pilot on social media and get buddy buddy with him meet for lunch and have him as a
mentor!( GEMS )

Just to name some reasons.

It’s called a job HUNT for a reason. The food doesn’t come to you you gotta get creative.
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Old 10-23-2019 | 08:32 AM
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This thread is drifting away from pro/con arguments about the United Aviate program and toward personal insults. We may have been lenient during the Jump Seat War, but that is now over. If you see a bad post, use the report function; responding to it with a bad post of your own is not allowed. Thanks.
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Old 10-23-2019 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JUNEBUG82
This is an interesting point. If United uses the program in this way, the UAXEs could be staffed primarily with new hires who already hold a United CJO and only need to fulfill their minimum service requirements at their respective regional. Would this essentially be a flow with United preserving their ability to participate in selecting who ends up in their cockpits?
For now you can’t interview in the Aviate program until you are employed at one of their regionals. But if they are being sincere with their communications once you are accepted into the program (for now they are scheduling interviews almost immediately) it is very similar to a flow with only a final review of dependability (sick calls, etc.).
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Old 10-23-2019 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
For now you can’t interview in the Aviate program until you are employed at one of their regionals. But if they are being sincere with their communications once you are accepted into the program (for now they are scheduling interviews almost immediately) it is very similar to a flow with only a final review of dependability (sick calls, etc.).
Ha ha. It’s nothing like a flow. A flow requires no interview, technical, or “personality assessment.” Aviate requires all of those.

I do however, think it’s a great deal for the CFI’s.
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Old 10-23-2019 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
Ha ha. It’s nothing like a flow. A flow requires no interview, technical, or “personality assessment.” Aviate requires all of those.

I do however, think it’s a great deal for the CFI’s.
My point was once you pass the interview very early in your career it is like a flow from that point. United has also publicly stated they intend for this to be their primary hiring source and the fastest path to United going forward.

They are trying to attract new hires to their exclusive regionals. They are at the point where they have to demonstrate that this is real or continue to watch new hires go elsewhere. All the signs seem to indicate they are very serious about this.
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Old 10-23-2019 | 05:53 PM
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Old 10-23-2019 | 06:46 PM
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Let me get this straight... I can interview with United Aviate as soon as I'm a CA/FO at one of the United express regionals, and once I have 2 years with the regional I upgrade to United. Seems like a great deal to me.
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