If this furlough happens I’m guaranteed to be bumped out. I would prefer the union protect the contract so I have a career worth returning to. It won’t be the first time I’ve been furloughed. I’ll find a way to keep the bills paid.

Rumor has it F9/ALPA are negotiating 35-40 hour lines for their leave package. If true, then the private equity ULCC pinches more pennies than MG.

You want "Plan B?" Then just do it. Furlough, downgrade, base consolidation, bump-and-flush bid. Just do it. Set the airline back 3-4 years. I heard back-of-the-envelope estimate many many hundreds of training events will be triggered. Moving expenses. And when they want to spool up, think in terms of years not months. Go ahead and back yourself into a corner.

They are not giving us any other choice. There doesn't appear to be a middle ground. Seniority has to be respected just like at any other airline.

I don’t think MG is concerned about setting the airline back I terms of total growth. He’s been consistent on earnings calls since 2017 that he does not want a scenario where we buy planes just buy planes (hence SS swampland). Management would rather fly less and have the highest operating margin in the world (something they love to brag about) than fly more and have a more modest op margin. When NK and F9 were adding huge orders of neos, MG told investors that he’s not interested in an “arms race” and then proceeded to sell them on SS swampland.

Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.

This concerns me greatly. Generally a higher profit margin will increase investor confidence which then drives up share prices. MG possess an awfully large amount of shares which directly correlates to his wealth.

I don’t think we get furloughed at all if they plan to bring us back in a few months. I’m expecting to be waiting a minimum of 18 months to get called back.

unfortunately probably true......the training footprint alone could stretch beyond a year to retrain 200+ recalls.

That's been his MO his entire career. Until fatal accidents derailed his "share prices". WestAir & Valujet come immediately to mind.

Unfortunately downgrading a pilot is pretty quick. Probably a PC and 2 days of supervised line flying. Re-Upgrade is also very quick as well if you do it within the same year. No need to re-do ground school or all of the sims. This happened to a few OAK guys.