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#41
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A big fat agree here as well. The logistics on this would be overwhelming....crew rest, hotels, transportation, aircraft maintenance requirements, outstation staffing, catering, weather delays, mechanicals, the impact of large-scale weather events - it goes on and on. Allegiant experience in dealing with these issues has been limited to the occasional charter or irregular ops. event. This would be 100's of times more to deal with, every day. Management expertise as well as IT infrastructure would have to be brought on board and the changeover from out-and-backs to a more traditional 2-3-4 day trip structure would have to be gradual and piecemeal. This isn't something you can flip the switch on overnight.
#42
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I have had this thought for a while. I do believe that is probably where the 275 number comes from. Here is why I don’t believe the company will go there
- 57 of the FOs in those bases are not in the 275 number. That means that the company will only save displacement costs on less than 100 pilots out of the 275 furloughs.
- it will then incur displacements costs on vast numbers of pilots. Think about a base like BLI or LAX. Most of those captains range from super senior to moderately senior. They will displace throughout the System.
- Many of the captains in the bases on your list upgraded out of the big bases, and many of those still commute. Most of them will bid displace back to FO in their big base. This will push existing FOs our to other bases.
- The small bases for more east coast flying than West. This will mean that while IWA and LAS would see small size increases, the bulk of the big base size increase would be in FL. This means more senior FOs being displaced to FL baes when the former captains downgrade back to their home base.
- Re-training requirements after recall are the same if the furlough lasts 1 day or 364 days, so a 1 month furlough to reset the bases won’t happen. It would be a year furlough.
This is all conjecture, so it’s not worth much, but it’s my thoughts on the subject.
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- 57 of the FOs in those bases are not in the 275 number. That means that the company will only save displacement costs on less than 100 pilots out of the 275 furloughs.
- it will then incur displacements costs on vast numbers of pilots. Think about a base like BLI or LAX. Most of those captains range from super senior to moderately senior. They will displace throughout the System.
- Many of the captains in the bases on your list upgraded out of the big bases, and many of those still commute. Most of them will bid displace back to FO in their big base. This will push existing FOs our to other bases.
- The small bases for more east coast flying than West. This will mean that while IWA and LAS would see small size increases, the bulk of the big base size increase would be in FL. This means more senior FOs being displaced to FL baes when the former captains downgrade back to their home base.
- Re-training requirements after recall are the same if the furlough lasts 1 day or 364 days, so a 1 month furlough to reset the bases won’t happen. It would be a year furlough.
This is all conjecture, so it’s not worth much, but it’s my thoughts on the subject.
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#43
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Allegiant will furlough the 275 so they can bump and flush out the smaller bases without incurring as large of a displacement bill (about 1/2 savings) and then bring them back online to the larger bases when needed.
BLI 23
LAX 32
IND 27
VPS 27
PIT 24
GRR 31
TYS 26
AVL 29
BNA 21
SAV 15
ABE 17
TOTAL 272
All thats left: LAS, IWA, CVG, SFB, PIE, PGD, FLL.
To obvious?
BLI 23
LAX 32
IND 27
VPS 27
PIT 24
GRR 31
TYS 26
AVL 29
BNA 21
SAV 15
ABE 17
TOTAL 272
All thats left: LAS, IWA, CVG, SFB, PIE, PGD, FLL.
To obvious?
I believe SAV, BNA, TYS, ABE, and VBD are on the chopping block. LAX and VPS may become seasonal.
#44
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I have had this thought for a while. I do believe that is probably where the 275 number comes from. Here is why I don’t believe the company will go there
- 57 of the FOs in those bases are not in the 275 number. That means that the company will only save displacement costs on less than 100 pilots out of the 275 furloughs.
- it will then incur displacements costs on vast numbers of pilots. Think about a base like BLI or LAX. Most of those captains range from super senior to moderately senior. They will displace throughout the System.
- Many of the captains in the bases on your list upgraded out of the big bases, and many of those still commute. Most of them will bid displace back to FO in their big base. This will push existing FOs our to other bases.
- The small bases for more east coast flying than West. This will mean that while IWA and LAS would see small size increases, the bulk of the big base size increase would be in FL. This means more senior FOs being displaced to FL baes when the former captains downgrade back to their home base.
- Re-training requirements after recall are the same if the furlough lasts 1 day or 364 days, so a 1 month furlough to reset the bases won’t happen. It would be a year furlough.
This is all conjecture, so it’s not worth much, but it’s my thoughts on the subject.
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- 57 of the FOs in those bases are not in the 275 number. That means that the company will only save displacement costs on less than 100 pilots out of the 275 furloughs.
- it will then incur displacements costs on vast numbers of pilots. Think about a base like BLI or LAX. Most of those captains range from super senior to moderately senior. They will displace throughout the System.
- Many of the captains in the bases on your list upgraded out of the big bases, and many of those still commute. Most of them will bid displace back to FO in their big base. This will push existing FOs our to other bases.
- The small bases for more east coast flying than West. This will mean that while IWA and LAS would see small size increases, the bulk of the big base size increase would be in FL. This means more senior FOs being displaced to FL baes when the former captains downgrade back to their home base.
- Re-training requirements after recall are the same if the furlough lasts 1 day or 364 days, so a 1 month furlough to reset the bases won’t happen. It would be a year furlough.
This is all conjecture, so it’s not worth much, but it’s my thoughts on the subject.
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#45
That's a great conspiracy theory, but you give them too much credit to come up with such an intricate plan. If they closed that many bases it would create total chaos, beginning with the fact that they don't have enough pavement in any of the Florida bases to park more jets. As others have said, this company isn't ready to pull the trigger on overnights, that too would create chaos. This company decides by Occam's Razor: the simplest solution is the correct solution. They will furlough the first 100 no matter what. The second 100 remain to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised if they furlough all of the 2019 and 2020 hires though. I doubt they will dip into 2017.
I believe SAV, BNA, TYS, ABE, and VBD are on the chopping block. LAX and VPS may become seasonal.
I believe SAV, BNA, TYS, ABE, and VBD are on the chopping block. LAX and VPS may become seasonal.
All good points. I tend to agree with just about everything there. I’ve been thinking the base structure is going to change since this whole mess started. At this point I just want to know what’s happening.
#46
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- it will then incur displacements costs on vast numbers of pilots. Think about a base like BLI or LAX. Most of those captains range from super senior to moderately senior. They will displace throughout the System.
- Many of the captains in the bases on your list upgraded out of the big bases, and many of those still commute. Most of them will bid displace back to FO in their big base. This will push existing FOs our to other bases.
- The small bases for more east coast flying than West. This will mean that while IWA and LAS would see small size increases, the bulk of the big base size increase would be in FL. This means more senior FOs being displaced to FL baes when the former captains downgrade back to their home base.
- Re-training requirements after recall are the same if the furlough lasts 1 day or 364 days, so a 1 month furlough to reset the bases won’t happen. It would be a year furlough.
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#47
You are right it should be choose domicile system wide by seniority. 12 L 2 is what you are looking for.
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#48
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#50
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That is for moving expenses, which are irrespective of displacement rights. Yes, you get moving expenses if you are displaced out of your domicile. This doesn't state where you must go if you're displaced.
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