My union has done an exemplary job speaking for me. And has my full support. Thank you exco. You guys are doing a great job.

 

it doesn’t have to specify domicile. If I am displaced & have the right to excersize my seniority against junior pilots, in seniority order, that means, for example, I can find a pilot junior to me in CVG, and bump him down. That’s what that sentence means.

 

Spoiler alert - company fails to follow bump & flush = immediate resort to self help.

 

That’s not quite what they’re getting it. They’re saying (as I read it) it isn’t technically a displacement per the CBA unless you lose your equipment or seat (“Position”). Just losing your base due to a closure or whatever wouldn’t be a displacement unless you lost your seat. That may not be how they handled it in the past, but the lack of domicile being specified has some nervous they will close a base and say here are the available vacancies, pick what you can hold. If they can get away with not calling it a displacement then they can avoid paying said moving costs. Least that’s what I’m getting.

 

well, if you want something to keep you awake at night then there it is.
Wouldn’t put it past them - imo it’s quite a stretch.

 

This is my understanding of what exco referred to in the most recent video and the nervous chatter from the line. I wholeheartedly agree with tailendcharlie, this has absolutely kept me awake at night and will be a serious detriment to the quality of work life for myself. A big reason for me being here is the QWL, getting squeezed out of my domicile and having to bid into only open vacancies would be terrible for my personal/family situation...I don't envy exco right now, so much upheaval is coming. If there is any way to negotiate something that will mitigate the disruption to furloughs for the more junior pilots and the vacancy bids for those of us mid-seniority types then i hope they exhaust every option.

(hopefully they are negotiating something right now with management to mitigate and will advise us shortly)

 

Negotiations are over. Let’s just follow the contract as agreed to by both parties in good faith. There is no upheaval coming, pure FUD.

 

"Let's just follow the contract as agreed to by both parties in good faith." What does that mean? If you read 12.L word for word, it is technically only applicable to being bumped from your domicile AND your seat ("Position"). I can tell how our management group is going to apply that provision: exactly how it reads. There will be no "good faith" gestures on how that is applied. It will be applied precisely how it reads which is very concerning to myself and others who have voiced concerns.

See Vegaspilot's post above; I assumed that i would be able to exercise my seniority if i was bumped from my domicile. But a fellow pilot told me about the 12.L and to read the definitions of Position and Displacement carefully and that it might not be the case. After reading 12.L. the nerves set in. Not saying you should be nervous (i have no idea what your situation is) but know that some of us are planning for this worst case scenario.

 

I'm sorry, but this post is ridiculous. If you were here pre-contract for more than a few years and weren't actively trying to leave, you are also part of the problem. This place was a dumpster fire. You worked for Regional wages flying trash planes with an unsafe maintenance program. There was what 400ish pilots and just under half voted against the Union. A large part of the anti-Union group put out a letter, that was written by the company's anti-Union firm, (they forgot to take the logo off! True story ask someone senior!) arguing against the Union. You are lucky the Junior pilots came here so you could upgrade. You guys voted in this trash contract, with terrible language, you'll earn our respect when it’s deserved.

 

Yes but more than half of us top 400 DID vote in a union. You’re welcome because if we didn’t this whole thread arguing about what may or may not happen wouldn’t exist... you would be doing what the company proposed.