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Quote: I think the biggest issue is training backlog at AA.
How many are needing training still? How many can they get through in a month? How long will it take to get everyone trained and current?

Quote: They displaced a huge number of pilots by parking the 190, 75/76, and 330.
How many?

Quote: They also had quite a few out on furlough.
How many?

Quote: I don’t think they’ll be able to train new hires for quite a while.
How long? Is quite a while a year? Two years? Three?
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Why would APA agree to a no furlough thru 2022 for scope concessions then?
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Quote: its not a once concessions. It an agreement not to grieve 2020-2021, where AA broke the scope because they parked so many narrow bodies. It’s a slippery slope.

potato tomato. it's a concession
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Quote: Why would APA agree to a no furlough thru 2022 for scope concessions then?
Quote: I’d keep your heads up. We are roughly 7-800k travelers per day away from 2019 levels with virtually NO business travel at all.
Quote: its not a once concessions. It an agreement not to grieve 2020-2021, where AA broke the scope because they parked so many narrow bodies. It’s a slippery slope.
Quote: well call APA, tell them no and then AA will just have to shutdown most of the regionals and we’ll lose however many thousands of jobs that is. Not sure what your remedy in this situation is. The RJs were basically the reason AA made any money at all last year
The way I see it, which I openly admit is just one persons opinion, is that they wouldn't have agreed to furlough protection if it wasn't needed.

APA either knows that furloughs might be coming or doesnt see enough positive news to bargain for other gains. If they thought AA was going to be hiring in the next year, I feel like they would have gone after something besides protections. I dont know how much the scope grievance would have been worth, but it would have been something.

I agree about the RJ's, which again kinda makes you think AA isnt about to start carving out pilots from their profitable operation, at least not soon. When you add all of that in with the other things going against us such as fleet reductions, more lockdowns internationally and a lack of business travel, makes me feel like we are looking at two years before flows start.

I hope I am wrong, it would be fantastic for all. The situation just doesnt seem to warrant it in this posters opinion.
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Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?
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Quote: Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?
That rumor has been around for years. Apparently Piedmont has been doing some consolidating in their management team. We all know a merger would save AAG money so who knows
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Quote: Well from the sound of things the Piedmont/Envoy merger rumor seems to be growing some legs finally. Has anyone been hearing these rumors lately?
Uhh, no.

Looks like you created a new profile to stir $h!+.
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Quote: Uhh, no.

Looks like you created a new profile to stir $h!+.
You’re assumption is (in the words of Donald J Trump), wrong.
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Quote: You’re assumption is (in the words of Donald J Trump), wrong.
Not an assumption. You only have seven (now eight) posts that are all from today and all are smack talk.
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Quote: Not an assumption. You only have seven (now eight) posts that are all from today and all are smack talk.

#calledout!


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