Flow Negotiations
07-07-2021, 07:54 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by dera
So you are flowing 18 a month. Where is the catchup? Sending 0 for 6 months and then 35 the next months does not change your flow date.
The post you originally replied to was where I said if AA is hiring 660 a year, Envoy will then flow 13.75 a month. Or 15 a month if they hire 720 a full year. The only way the catchup works is if they drastically ramp up their hiring mid year, but it's not relevant to any of the scenarios that were discussed.
And what management is doing, let's just say, don't hold your breath on that happening.
You never claimed the beer. It's on me, just lmk.
The post you originally replied to was where I said if AA is hiring 660 a year, Envoy will then flow 13.75 a month. Or 15 a month if they hire 720 a full year. The only way the catchup works is if they drastically ramp up their hiring mid year, but it's not relevant to any of the scenarios that were discussed.
And what management is doing, let's just say, don't hold your breath on that happening.
You never claimed the beer. It's on me, just lmk.
Just pointed out the "calendar year" that snuck into the DOS language.
Geography isn't very conductive for a beer, but I'd gladly buy a round or two also. Good luck at the new gig!
07-07-2021, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
I think management will be 💩 ‘ing themselves the next 12 months. They really are clueless. If they don’t fix the flow to something manageable, no will stay and worse for them, no one will come. The training department will be the key. I think we’ll still see mid seniority attrition, but if the upgrade classes can keep up, i think they’ll flow all they can because it’s the only shot they have of tricking 23 year olds into coming here
07-07-2021, 08:30 PM
#83
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If AA hires zero for the next 10 years, how many will Envoy flow? Answer - Anyone who speculates that is an idiot.
All the majors, AA included, are starting to hire balls to the wall, by this fall. And they will have to sustain it for mandatory retirements and even very modest growth. You can speculate all you want.
All the majors, AA included, are starting to hire balls to the wall, by this fall. And they will have to sustain it for mandatory retirements and even very modest growth. You can speculate all you want.
07-08-2021, 02:33 AM
#84
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Originally Posted by dera
Market forces will dictate flow numbers. AA wont negotiate them until they need it. Envoy has no say on it, because they need to keep parity with PSA and Piedmont.
The three MEC’s need to get their act together on this before it’s too late.
07-08-2021, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
exactly, the market will push them to want to make the flow better and more attractive as a means to keep their regionals staffed.
The three MEC’s need to get their act together on this before it’s too late.
The three MEC’s need to get their act together on this before it’s too late.
07-08-2021, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
We're already behind PSA and Piedmont, who are flowing 2016 hires. Envoy still has 2013 hires on property waiting to go.
07-08-2021, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
There are those who have tried to encourage the 3 MECs to work together for a long time. And the 3 MECs all have their own interests, vulnerabilities, and pilots to look out for. Truthfully I think the 3 pilot groups should push for integration. Collectively, it would give them much more security and bargaining power to be a bigger entity.
07-09-2021, 07:12 AM
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2/3 of the redundant WO regional management will end up on the street eventually if we did something like that. Shareholders would love it probably. I'm shocked AA hasn't already done it but it seems like the only thing they're good at now is selling miles.
07-09-2021, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Yea, our FAs are credit card sales-women who happen to be on an airplane. I can’t stand the blaring credit card PAs at 6:30am
07-09-2021, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Yea, our FAs are credit card sales-women who happen to be on an airplane. I can’t stand the blaring credit card PAs at 6:30am
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