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The Saab 2000's. No, PenAir is having problems securing the financing for the planes. People seem to think that Saab is going to help us do everything, such as certification and parts support. Saab is there to make money, thats what a company does. Nothing is free!!! Why did they support the 340 so well? Because the planes were five years old, they were pretty much brand new. Now that some are almost 15 years old, I think the tone will change. We should invest in aircraft built in the last decade.
Another issue with the 2000 is the ice speeds. Now with most aircraft that are 121, you add a buffer to your ref speed if you have any ice on the aircraft at all. With the metro it's 19 knots, even if you have trace ice. Do we every add this......no. The issue is that this increases your landing distance. When landing in Dutch this becomes a problem. At max 0 fuel weight and fuel for CDB with reserves the factored landing distance in dutch for the 2000 is 4300' when you use ice approach speeds. Demonstrated landing distance is the actual distance it takes to stop an aircraft, 2580' in this case. Factored landing distance is demonstrated + 40%. 121 requires us to use factored for performance. This is one fact that management has kept from us. Why do you think Harding is in town, Honty lates cant figure this one out for himself. It will be fun to watch this play out during the proving runs.
The 2000 is not that great really, meairlinepilot. We know your douchebag management, so stop trying to spread your propaganda BS. Most of us think that PenAir sucks, so stop trying to increase moral.
On my knees to service my fellow pilots forever.......TT
Good analysis of the ice speeds. Who knows what PenAir can muster up with getting them up and running. I think it's exciting news, especially with the few PenAir bashers from Era on here. I haven't heard from them recently since our news of the possibility of the 2000's. What's your deal with proclaiming that I'm management? I told you before, if that's what you think then you're wrong. Not cool, especially when we work together all the time.Originally Posted by penairpilot
I wish......management just fired them, no furloughs. Management knows how this works, after the firings they put an at will employment form in everyones box they had to sign. This is the reason we need a union. But as stated, people don't have the guts to do anything. The Saab 2000's. No, PenAir is having problems securing the financing for the planes. People seem to think that Saab is going to help us do everything, such as certification and parts support. Saab is there to make money, thats what a company does. Nothing is free!!! Why did they support the 340 so well? Because the planes were five years old, they were pretty much brand new. Now that some are almost 15 years old, I think the tone will change. We should invest in aircraft built in the last decade.
Another issue with the 2000 is the ice speeds. Now with most aircraft that are 121, you add a buffer to your ref speed if you have any ice on the aircraft at all. With the metro it's 19 knots, even if you have trace ice. Do we every add this......no. The issue is that this increases your landing distance. When landing in Dutch this becomes a problem. At max 0 fuel weight and fuel for CDB with reserves the factored landing distance in dutch for the 2000 is 4300' when you use ice approach speeds. Demonstrated landing distance is the actual distance it takes to stop an aircraft, 2580' in this case. Factored landing distance is demonstrated + 40%. 121 requires us to use factored for performance. This is one fact that management has kept from us. Why do you think Harding is in town, Honty lates cant figure this one out for himself. It will be fun to watch this play out during the proving runs.
The 2000 is not that great really, meairlinepilot. We know your douchebag management, so stop trying to spread your propaganda BS. Most of us think that PenAir sucks, so stop trying to increase moral.
On my knees to service my fellow pilots forever.......TT