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11-19-2008, 08:55 AM
#101
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*Beep beep!*
If this is for real, this is going to be good...really good 
I'm interested to see how this all plays out. I can see the pro-union PenAir pilots out in front of the PenAir gate and ticket counter picketing already. "Honk for pilot unionization!" *Beep beep!* "We want ALPA to negotiate us a contract!" *Beep beep!*
I respect your views, and on some points I agree. But I'm happy negotiating my own pay and not paying ALPA to do things for me. Heck, I don't want my pay going down, which is a real possibility with a union negotiating my pay!
I'm interested to see how this all plays out. I can see the pro-union PenAir pilots out in front of the PenAir gate and ticket counter picketing already. "Honk for pilot unionization!" *Beep beep!* "We want ALPA to negotiate us a contract!" *Beep beep!*I respect your views, and on some points I agree. But I'm happy negotiating my own pay and not paying ALPA to do things for me. Heck, I don't want my pay going down, which is a real possibility with a union negotiating my pay!
Originally Posted by penairpilot
As I have said in earlier posts, the anti-union folks just don’t understand the way things work in the real world. I’m going to venture and say that none of you have actually worked for a unionized airline. It’s funny how that works; if you lock a newborn or toddler in a closet and give them just the necessities (food and water) you will find that over time they are content with their existence. Try this with someone more developed and the results would be drastically different. We are the toddler. It’s not our fault, we just don’t know anything different.
As far as the union thing goes, I don’t think compensation is necessarily a major issue. Penair has by far one of the best pay scales of any regional airline. The issue is QOL and the work environment. Who cares if your home every night, when you do a triple banger or a DUT, king. You’re going home to crash, not spend time with the wife and kids. That really makes for a nice existence………..As for safety. haha Take 507 for example; I love it when I show up and dispatch doesn’t have a runway report for SDP. It’s a joke; you go down there when it’s blowing 20 across, glare ice and at night. Not because you’re a cowboy, but because the company is too cheap to pay someone for an early morning inspection. So you take the gamble, fire it up and go, because you’re scared Danny will get ****ed. I know some of you are saying…..But we do get a runway report in the morning, follow the next sheep off the cliff you delusional **tchs.
Now when the ALPA rep shows up, which will be happening shortly, I want you all to listen to what they say…..They know the real world, every major airline is unionized. You want to be an airline pilot right, well act like one! Don’t listen to management (I use the term lightly) propaganda or the guys that have been here 10 + years. Most of those guys have been drinking the kool aid forever, and their spine is jelly. I would hate to have some of those guys behind me during battle to cover my back. I think some would just chill in the fox hole and let you get blasted. Once the rep shows up you will have nothing to fear; as soon as you show up for the organizational meeting, Danny can’t touch you legally. A company can’t do anything once the employees begin to organize. I know we all signed the “At will employment form”, but unionization falls under an entirely different law base. If they tried ANYTHING, the courts would annihilate them. Remember every company went through this phase. I know it’s scary, but everyone else that has unionized went through the same thing.
To serve my fellow pilots…..On my knees forever. TT
As far as the union thing goes, I don’t think compensation is necessarily a major issue. Penair has by far one of the best pay scales of any regional airline. The issue is QOL and the work environment. Who cares if your home every night, when you do a triple banger or a DUT, king. You’re going home to crash, not spend time with the wife and kids. That really makes for a nice existence………..As for safety. haha Take 507 for example; I love it when I show up and dispatch doesn’t have a runway report for SDP. It’s a joke; you go down there when it’s blowing 20 across, glare ice and at night. Not because you’re a cowboy, but because the company is too cheap to pay someone for an early morning inspection. So you take the gamble, fire it up and go, because you’re scared Danny will get ****ed. I know some of you are saying…..But we do get a runway report in the morning, follow the next sheep off the cliff you delusional **tchs.
Now when the ALPA rep shows up, which will be happening shortly, I want you all to listen to what they say…..They know the real world, every major airline is unionized. You want to be an airline pilot right, well act like one! Don’t listen to management (I use the term lightly) propaganda or the guys that have been here 10 + years. Most of those guys have been drinking the kool aid forever, and their spine is jelly. I would hate to have some of those guys behind me during battle to cover my back. I think some would just chill in the fox hole and let you get blasted. Once the rep shows up you will have nothing to fear; as soon as you show up for the organizational meeting, Danny can’t touch you legally. A company can’t do anything once the employees begin to organize. I know we all signed the “At will employment form”, but unionization falls under an entirely different law base. If they tried ANYTHING, the courts would annihilate them. Remember every company went through this phase. I know it’s scary, but everyone else that has unionized went through the same thing.
To serve my fellow pilots…..On my knees forever. TT
11-19-2008, 10:13 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by meairlinepilot
I'm happy negotiating my own pay and not paying ALPA to do things for me. Heck, I don't want my pay going down, which is a real possibility with a union negotiating my pay!
The major issues confronting Penair pilots concern quality of life, quality of employment, and job security. These are pretty easy issues to handle with a union and a contract.
A quality of life clause would set forth a standard for traffic and management to follow when contacting and scheduling pilots.
A quality of employment clause would set forth a standard for management to follow when dealing with weather delays, broken airplanes, cold airplanes, and other issues that can drastically affect how happy you are on a given day. The lack of coherent training would also be dealt with here.
A job security clause is pretty plain and simple: seniority based upgrades, downgrades, furloughs, and other job events that are usually handled via seniority at other airlines. We would also set forth a standard for determining the seniority of incoming new hires (if anyone decides to work here ever again) so that people aren't still b**ching about their seniority number five years down the road.
Having a small portion of my paycheck go to union dues is a small price to pay to assure my quality of life, quality of employment, and secure my position.
11-20-2008, 06:39 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by meairlinepilot
Not a word. No plans even brewing for hiring that I know of. We're good on pilots.
And,
when is this ALPA rep supposed to be arriving?
11-20-2008, 07:01 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by meairlinepilot
If this is for real, this is going to be good...really good I'm interested to see how this all plays out. I can see the pro-union PenAir pilots out in front of the PenAir gate and ticket counter picketing already. "Honk for pilot unionization!" *Beep beep!* "We want ALPA to negotiate us a contract!" *Beep beep!*
I respect your views, and on some points I agree. But I'm happy negotiating my own pay and not paying ALPA to do things for me. Heck, I don't want my pay going down, which is a real possibility with a union negotiating my pay!
I'm interested to see how this all plays out. I can see the pro-union PenAir pilots out in front of the PenAir gate and ticket counter picketing already. "Honk for pilot unionization!" *Beep beep!* "We want ALPA to negotiate us a contract!" *Beep beep!*I respect your views, and on some points I agree. But I'm happy negotiating my own pay and not paying ALPA to do things for me. Heck, I don't want my pay going down, which is a real possibility with a union negotiating my pay!
You seem to bring up the money aspect quite often. Yes at a union, people need to pay dues. Typically less then one, but no more then two percent. At this point financial compensation is not a real issue. You don't seem to get that. Check out the last KS4life post (11-18-08). My personal opinion is that you are some of form management personal. I'm going to venture and say, you have an office on the second floor and your name is similar to.....Hontie Lates? Well either way you can go hunker down in the fox hole, let someone else do the dirty work.
Serving my fellow pilots.....on my knees forever. T.T.
11-20-2008, 08:03 AM
#108
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Originally Posted by crooked
I heard Feb., to replace the crews that will be needed for the 2000.
And,
when is this ALPA rep supposed to be arriving?
And,
when is this ALPA rep supposed to be arriving?
Has anyone else heard that we ran into a snag with the 2000s? I heard there's a snag as far as being able to land them in Dutch in icing conditions. What's the scoop with those?
As far as a class in Feb., that's just speculation. Could we have one, sure. Nothing is for sure yet until we know for sure about the 2000s. From what I gather, if we get the 2000s, we would move several senior Metro crews over there, plus a few senior Saab guys over there (about 10 pilots for 2 planes), which would mean we would need a class of about 4-6 people for the 340s.
I want to know when the ALPA rep. is coming too
11-20-2008, 08:13 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by penairpilot
You seem to bring up the money aspect quite often. Yes at a union, people need to pay dues. Typically less then one, but no more then two percent. At this point financial compensation is not a real issue. You don't seem to get that. Check out the last KS4life post (11-18-08). My personal opinion is that you are some of form management personal. I'm going to venture and say, you have an office on the second floor and your name is similar to.....Hontie Lates? Well either way you can go hunker down in the fox hole, let someone else do the dirty work.
Serving my fellow pilots.....on my knees forever. T.T.
Serving my fellow pilots.....on my knees forever. T.T.
I am not part of management personnel. I am a pilot with PenAir, and again, no ties to management. I don't have an office. I only visit the second floor when I have business to conduct there. Heck, you probably might even see me several times a week. You can know me as Joe the Pilot
11-20-2008, 12:14 PM
#110
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Posts: 19
Originally Posted by crooked
when is this ALPA rep supposed to be arriving?
For anyone who is doubting the validity of a unionization movement: this is very much for real.
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