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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Carl,
I'm kinda new to forums in general and do not know how to cut and paste quotes so please bear with me.
As far as all your guys retiring in the next 10 years, I just perused your seniority list and saw numerous '85 hires with dates of birth of 1956 or later, many in 1960. You are assuming that all these guys are going to retire at age 60 or before and I think that is an invalid assumption, especially base on today's economic environment and even with out it.
During the testimony, NWA did a presentation of the top thousand guys in the DAL proposal - Delta guys in blue font, and Northwest guys in red font. They used age 62 as the average age that a guy will be gone either by choice or medically. Then they moved the chart forward in one year increments. As every year went by, the top thousand guys changed from a mix of blue and red colors, to a sea of blue colors only at the 10 year point. In my opinion, that is a devastating blow to the concept of fair and equitable. There was an opportunity to mitigate that with a fence, but DAL did not do that. The 5 year fence proposal does nothing but make the inequities far worse and in perpetuity.
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A 10 year fence allows your SL pilots to take advantage of your retirement, as it should, but what about the HUGE number of DAL pilots that start retiring about 2019? You (NW pilots) get the advantage of that as well.
How could we take advantage of it if the vast majority of us are gone?
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The Dal pilot list mitigates it just the same as the NW list does, only with a shorter 5 year fence during which most of your senior guys who would retire at 60 will be gone. (Thats up for debate as many have pointed out the high price of healthcare these days!!) I think, due to your hard frozen pension plan, most of your 1985 hires will more than likely stay longer than 60 because they do not have 25 years and, as stated before, high health care costs.
Actually, due to our pension, we will lose money if we stay past 60. Everyone will have 25 years in because the rules allow for you to continue accruing time toward 25 years. Also, the higher health care costs only apply if we retire before age 60.
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The argument about the 402 pilots at the bottom has been gone over and over. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. But putting approx. 28 percent of your pilot group in the top 15 to 16 percent of the combined list is incomprehensible to me.
The bottom 402 being NWA is incomprehensible. Again 28% of our guys being in the top 16% is meaningless because we'll be gone by the time we could ever exercise that seniority at the expense of any Delta pilot.
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I sure hope we, both merger committees, can work this out, but I have my doubts. One group has to come off their respective stance and I just dont see that happening.
I'm guessing you mean NWA pilots. I have my doubts too. Because the NWA pilots see virtually no down side in taking this to arbitration. Negotiations aimed at taking the extreme DAL proposal and changing it along the margins will still make it very extreme. Thus arbitration carries little risk to NWA guys. But if you think that DAL might come off their respective stance and negotiate a change to the NWA Date of Hire proposal, maybe there would be an incentive to avoid arbitration.
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Good luck to us all!!!!
I'd love to stay and chat but I have some beer to drink!!! "D Maybe I'll get back on in a little while after I'm all loosened up!!!
Denny
Hope the beer was really cold!
Carl