Originally Posted by scambo1
Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.



Now this is a Latest and Greatest post I think we all enjoy seeing.

I would encourage you to do that... especially since your mind was obviously closed to what I have to say a long time ago.

My main purpose in being here is to try to get others to do some critical thinking about what they're being told by DALPA (which I obviously think is wrong). I think we as a pilot group are being manipulated into accepting a lower value for our profession when that lower value is not necessary. I realize I'm never going to change your mind, but hopefully there are others who are more open minded and have greater respect for the value of what we do. If I've reached a few people with my message then it's been worth it.

So who gets to determine whether someone is "hijacking" a thread? Sounds like maybe you're just uncomfortable with certain messages.

And I'm not going to let you get away with characterizing me as someone who calls everybody who disagrees with me an "idiot." That is far, far from the way I have handled myself here. Alfa brought up the reference to "idiot" and I responded with what I thought. I do think his ideas are idiotic. Show me where I've said that about anyone else.

I searched this thread. Couldn't find what I was looking for but I'm sure it's been addressed.

I've got a buddy that just got hired. Guys in his class were comparing hotels for rates/availability during their initial training. I thought we fixed that in the last contract. Doesn't the company pay for initial training lodging? The way I read the contract it says they do (Sect 5, E, 1, a, 1). That said, the New Hire Pilot Guide (dated May 2014) says they are on their own. Which is it?

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Of course, hoserpilot, the problem with the sweet sugar of aircraft rumors isn't a meaningful substitute for actual compensation, but then again, someone started a thread ostensibly dedicated to discussing concepts in adequate compensation.

So there is that. And maybe here, a good-natured rumor, humor and underboob emporium.

I've flown with several new hires lately. If I understood correctly, the company pays for a hotel room during the indoc portion of their training and then they are on their own for simulator.

I know the company pays for lodging during Indoc....he's there now, and I know we used to require pilots to pay for their own lodging during initial training. That said, I'm almost positive I remember our most recent contract requiring the company to pay for initial training lodging as well. Hmmm

Could very well be. I'm just going on what I think was said a couple of weeks ago during a brief conversation about it. I could have misunderstood. I'll bet somebody here knows the exact correct answer.

I'm sitting reserves for the first time since NWA (2001) and looking for the best location to find PWA, LOAs and possible gouge related to reserves. Can someone post a link or give a vector. I did a quick search on DeltaNet and the SD memo popped to the top.

Got it. Here's how I meant it:

I do believe that our reps fully intend to ask for significant improvements to our compensation, far greater than were achieved in C2012. I believe they will succeed because the economy, Delta's profitability, and the industry are all significantly better than they were in 2012.

That said, I do not believe that our reps "phoned in" their negotiations for C2012, nor do I agree that our raises were tiny or paid for by onerous concessions. As I understand it, our raise was to the tune of $400M net per year over three years (or about 20%) and was mostly but not fully paid for by the RJ deal. While I am not a fan of allowing more 76-seat jets by any means, I believe that the hard overall caps on DCI that were part of that deal made the whole thing palatable.

Bottom line -- I believe that our reps did well in C2012 given the circumstances then and will do significantly better in C2015 due to significantly better circumstances today.

According to the Contract Comparison that just came out, Delta pays for newhire hotel only for the first two weeks of training.