Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-20-2014 | 06:36 AM
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The answer I get from my reps is a resounding yes.
I don't agree for a minute that that's what happened last time.
Agreed.
Agreed.
08-20-2014 | 06:40 AM
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08-20-2014 | 06:53 AM
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First of all, there is no "if I'm released at noon"---you ARE released at noon automatically prior to a hard no fly day.
Second, you could accept a GS at 1300, but your report could not be earlier than 2300, thus giving you 10 hours "rest" prior to report.
You could also get a "less than 12 hr GS" prior to noon today, provided that the report is between 10:00 and 11:59 to report.
Second, you could accept a GS at 1300, but your report could not be earlier than 2300, thus giving you 10 hours "rest" prior to report.
You could also get a "less than 12 hr GS" prior to noon today, provided that the report is between 10:00 and 11:59 to report.
Couldn't the less than 12 GS be any time today? I realize that we are released at noon automatically prior to a hard no-fly day, but I take that to mean if nothing is on your schedule by noon. They can always assign you a that reports after noon as long as it is on your schedule NLT noon.
Noon prior to a hard no-fly day is a release time not a NLT duty time.
Or am I totally screwed up on this as usual?
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08-20-2014 | 07:00 AM
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08-20-2014 | 07:03 AM
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They sure spent a lot of money and collected a lot of dues for having no goals. Couldn't they have just had a yearly meeting and played dominoes if all they wanted to do was not make contract improvements. What they wanted was to negotiate a new seniority list based on Date of Hire and they failed. In that failure they cost their pilots billions of dollars. It is just amazing how the webboard folks can dismiss this type of failure while attacking DALPA as a failure. Sometimes you guys have shifting standards of success that have no consistent basis, just whatever confirms your own bias. If DALPA merely says their goals are exactly what happened then they are successes in your mind. How convenient.
USAPA has NOT abrogated an arbitration. They have delayed it. I know the webbboard lawyers are celebrating their temporary delays as some victory, but they are coming to a close. USAPA will soon not represent anyone in anything. They signed away their right to represent in the MOU and soon APA will represent the entire pilot group.
The APA has stated openly that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. That means that there will be three separate merger committees, East, West, and APA. Actually, AMR management is also a party to the proceedings and they have openly stated that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. The Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's dictate that all disputes amongst the parties will be solved by final and binding arbitration.
Therefore, my guess is the first dispute is what list will be integrated in with the American list. That dispute will be solved by an arbitrator (or panel of arbitrators) and they will decide whether or not the previous arbitration has been abrogated by USAPA's delays. My guess is that the East pilots will not be happy with that arbitration.
All complicated cases like this go their own way so there may be some other solution. In the end, the West pilots have their rights. As one of the federal judges said, a neutral arbitration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Therefore, whatever happens to the West pilots will be judged on the basis of what their rights were under the Nicolau award. If the Nicolau award is not used, then the West pilots will have to have seniority as good or better than the Nicolau award or someone will have to pay them money.
As I said before, neither the APA nor AMR management want to be writing those checks, so USAPA has merely delayed the arbitration, they have abrogated nothing. USAPA can't negotiate away the West's pilots rights no matter how much internet blather they spew. Delay is not victory. Instead, they just flushed away billions of dollars they will never get back. WINNING!!!!!!!!!
USAPA has NOT abrogated an arbitration. They have delayed it. I know the webbboard lawyers are celebrating their temporary delays as some victory, but they are coming to a close. USAPA will soon not represent anyone in anything. They signed away their right to represent in the MOU and soon APA will represent the entire pilot group.
The APA has stated openly that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. That means that there will be three separate merger committees, East, West, and APA. Actually, AMR management is also a party to the proceedings and they have openly stated that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. The Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's dictate that all disputes amongst the parties will be solved by final and binding arbitration.
Therefore, my guess is the first dispute is what list will be integrated in with the American list. That dispute will be solved by an arbitrator (or panel of arbitrators) and they will decide whether or not the previous arbitration has been abrogated by USAPA's delays. My guess is that the East pilots will not be happy with that arbitration.
All complicated cases like this go their own way so there may be some other solution. In the end, the West pilots have their rights. As one of the federal judges said, a neutral arbitration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Therefore, whatever happens to the West pilots will be judged on the basis of what their rights were under the Nicolau award. If the Nicolau award is not used, then the West pilots will have to have seniority as good or better than the Nicolau award or someone will have to pay them money.
As I said before, neither the APA nor AMR management want to be writing those checks, so USAPA has merely delayed the arbitration, they have abrogated nothing. USAPA can't negotiate away the West's pilots rights no matter how much internet blather they spew. Delay is not victory. Instead, they just flushed away billions of dollars they will never get back. WINNING!!!!!!!!!
It seems to have been more vindictive than anything, kind of a burn down the house but without burning it down. They went on strike without it being a strike and they were fine by that.
08-20-2014 | 07:13 AM
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Alphas explanation is below at the bottom:
Interesting.
But folks, what he is missing here and not taking into account are the two people whom are pulling the DPA strings motivation.
I will assume as fact that they are Caplinger and yes, Seham, as it seems that Tim has become quite enthralled with Lee, much to his Associations detriment.
IF there is any remote connection to Dalpa or ALPA with "John Doe" that will allow them to proceed legally, trust that they will.
DPA is no longer in a position to prevail on its own as an organized entity. Filing a suit will be out of spite for Tim, and for profit obviously for the "lawyer".
The problem is that they then get to siphon away dues money as a defense is mounted and quite possibly drain more in a judgement and settlement. That's is a problem, but minor in nature compared to possibly finding out through discovery and motions to compel that Dalpa or ALPA did have a hand in this.
I would have said it was never possible that Dalpa would be involved, but then again, I never guessed that they'd form a secret committee off the books either. That will be the target of any suit and it's not us that has to be convinced, it's a jury, and we all know how well that has worked out for ALPA before.
The real intriguing component will be seeing who lines up to be the first to throw whom under the bus, as the political blow back from a lawsuits legal fishing expedition mounts, and self preservation and vanity boil to the surface.
It is immaterial if this guy had some connection to ALPA at some point in his life. Just because he ever did ALPA work does not mean ALPA sanctioned or would ever sanction this type of behavior. Since you have no case and there is no "scandal" you are trying to invent one out of thin air. The argument is that if this guy was ever connected with ALPA then ALPA is responsible.
This is a silly argument and one which normal people will see through in an instant. I can see how the DPA faithful will be rallied to chuck out some more money to their attorney, but everyone that thinks can understand that doing ALPA work does not make you an agent of ALPA for every private action you take. ALPA has a leadership structure and if ALPA ordered this action (which didn't take place) then ALPA is responsible. If this guy had some connection to ALPA and took action on his own free time then ALPA has no responsibility.
Interesting.
But folks, what he is missing here and not taking into account are the two people whom are pulling the DPA strings motivation.
I will assume as fact that they are Caplinger and yes, Seham, as it seems that Tim has become quite enthralled with Lee, much to his Associations detriment.
IF there is any remote connection to Dalpa or ALPA with "John Doe" that will allow them to proceed legally, trust that they will.
DPA is no longer in a position to prevail on its own as an organized entity. Filing a suit will be out of spite for Tim, and for profit obviously for the "lawyer".
The problem is that they then get to siphon away dues money as a defense is mounted and quite possibly drain more in a judgement and settlement. That's is a problem, but minor in nature compared to possibly finding out through discovery and motions to compel that Dalpa or ALPA did have a hand in this.
I would have said it was never possible that Dalpa would be involved, but then again, I never guessed that they'd form a secret committee off the books either. That will be the target of any suit and it's not us that has to be convinced, it's a jury, and we all know how well that has worked out for ALPA before.
The real intriguing component will be seeing who lines up to be the first to throw whom under the bus, as the political blow back from a lawsuits legal fishing expedition mounts, and self preservation and vanity boil to the surface.
It is immaterial if this guy had some connection to ALPA at some point in his life. Just because he ever did ALPA work does not mean ALPA sanctioned or would ever sanction this type of behavior. Since you have no case and there is no "scandal" you are trying to invent one out of thin air. The argument is that if this guy was ever connected with ALPA then ALPA is responsible.
This is a silly argument and one which normal people will see through in an instant. I can see how the DPA faithful will be rallied to chuck out some more money to their attorney, but everyone that thinks can understand that doing ALPA work does not make you an agent of ALPA for every private action you take. ALPA has a leadership structure and if ALPA ordered this action (which didn't take place) then ALPA is responsible. If this guy had some connection to ALPA and took action on his own free time then ALPA has no responsibility.
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08-20-2014 | 07:23 AM
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They sure spent a lot of money and collected a lot of dues for having no goals. Couldn't they have just had a yearly meeting and played dominoes if all they wanted to do was not make contract improvements. What they wanted was to negotiate a new seniority list based on Date of Hire and they failed. In that failure they cost their pilots billions of dollars. It is just amazing how the webboard folks can dismiss this type of failure while attacking DALPA as a failure. Sometimes you guys have shifting standards of success that have no consistent basis, just whatever confirms your own bias. If DALPA merely says their goals are exactly what happened then they are successes in your mind. How convenient.
USAPA has NOT abrogated an arbitration. They have delayed it. I know the webbboard lawyers are celebrating their temporary delays as some victory, but they are coming to a close. USAPA will soon not represent anyone in anything. They signed away their right to represent in the MOU and soon APA will represent the entire pilot group.
The APA has stated openly that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. That means that there will be three separate merger committees, East, West, and APA. Actually, AMR management is also a party to the proceedings and they have openly stated that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. The Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's dictate that all disputes amongst the parties will be solved by final and binding arbitration.
Therefore, my guess is the first dispute is what list will be integrated in with the American list. That dispute will be solved by an arbitrator (or panel of arbitrators) and they will decide whether or not the previous arbitration has been abrogated by USAPA's delays. My guess is that the East pilots will not be happy with that arbitration.
All complicated cases like this go their own way so there may be some other solution. In the end, the West pilots have their rights. As one of the federal judges said, a neutral arbitration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Therefore, whatever happens to the West pilots will be judged on the basis of what their rights were under the Nicolau award. If the Nicolau award is not used, then the West pilots will have to have seniority as good or better than the Nicolau award or someone will have to pay them money.
As I said before, neither the APA nor AMR management want to be writing those checks, so USAPA has merely delayed the arbitration, they have abrogated nothing. USAPA can't negotiate away the West's pilots rights no matter how much internet blather they spew. Delay is not victory. Instead, they just flushed away billions of dollars they will never get back. WINNING!!!!!!!!!
USAPA has NOT abrogated an arbitration. They have delayed it. I know the webbboard lawyers are celebrating their temporary delays as some victory, but they are coming to a close. USAPA will soon not represent anyone in anything. They signed away their right to represent in the MOU and soon APA will represent the entire pilot group.
The APA has stated openly that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. That means that there will be three separate merger committees, East, West, and APA. Actually, AMR management is also a party to the proceedings and they have openly stated that they will not take on the DFR liabilities of USAPA. The Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's dictate that all disputes amongst the parties will be solved by final and binding arbitration.
Therefore, my guess is the first dispute is what list will be integrated in with the American list. That dispute will be solved by an arbitrator (or panel of arbitrators) and they will decide whether or not the previous arbitration has been abrogated by USAPA's delays. My guess is that the East pilots will not be happy with that arbitration.
All complicated cases like this go their own way so there may be some other solution. In the end, the West pilots have their rights. As one of the federal judges said, a neutral arbitration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Therefore, whatever happens to the West pilots will be judged on the basis of what their rights were under the Nicolau award. If the Nicolau award is not used, then the West pilots will have to have seniority as good or better than the Nicolau award or someone will have to pay them money.
As I said before, neither the APA nor AMR management want to be writing those checks, so USAPA has merely delayed the arbitration, they have abrogated nothing. USAPA can't negotiate away the West's pilots rights no matter how much internet blather they spew. Delay is not victory. Instead, they just flushed away billions of dollars they will never get back. WINNING!!!!!!!!!
This is not just about the list or the Nic.
It is also about capturing the attrition. They unfortunately, through their delay and legal spamming tactics, have won that battle.
As they have steadily retired senior pilots off the east list, they have replaced all those retirements with east pilots moving up into their vacated positions. Lots of movement, even hiring at the bottom.
Not so out west.
Not as simple as you try and make it Alfa.
08-20-2014 | 07:25 AM
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Okay, you can't even get off your butt and actually do something about it. Whining is not doing. Some people are actually fighting and some are just complaining from the sidelines. Who is the idiot?
08-20-2014 | 07:25 AM
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08-20-2014 | 07:28 AM
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Hi APC'rs. Has anyone had to re apply for Global Entry? I just got a new passport and it seems that I have a problem. I no longer have my PASSID number from when I signed up 5 years ago, (lost it) so I am unable to log in or start the application process. It seems I am toast without the PASSID number. Anybody have this happen? Or does anyone have a contact number where I might be able to ask the question? The number at GOES is just a busy signal. Figures! Thanks!
https://goes-app.cbp.dhs.gov/main/goes
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