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Old 08-20-2014 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
You are an idiot because you were so easily able to write off half the value of our profession without even attempting to fight for it.
I'm on your side 88, but name calling doesn't win an argument.

Alfa's pretty far from an idiot. It's really his agenda that is the issue isn't it?
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Most of the reps now in office have come into being since the merger.
This isn't a north versus south thing tsquare. It's a simple case of the majority of our current reps do NOT want pay restoration. They prefer partnership and cooperation.

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You continually badmouth them and say they aren't interested in restoration.
It's not badmouthing them, it's a simple statement of fact. A majority of them truly believe that cooperation with management is more important than restoration, or defending our scope language.

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How do you then know that your boys will fight for restoration? What makes your doughnut clowns more capable and worthy of battle?
We'll never know because DPA won't be the bargaining agent for C2015. This conversation is about our current union and our current reps.

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Old 08-20-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Well there was an entire thread devoted to that discussion. Why not go back to it? I feel like I am back on that old worthless alpa webboard that was nothing but fighting from both sides.
You should go back there. I hear they have some pretty great BBQ recipes now!
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'm on your side 88, but name calling doesn't win an argument.

Alfa's pretty far from an idiot. It's really his agenda that is the issue isn't it?
Good point. His agenda is idiotic.

(Although don't forget that Alfa was the one who first brought up the term "idiot." I'm thinking if he can't stand the heat he needs to get out of the kitchen.)
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
How many pages do you have to go back to find something that's either Latest OR Greatest?
Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I said it wasn't a perfect analogy. But I do think it makes a valid point.



Yep. We're the proverbial "prettiest pup in an ugly litter." See below...


You're a 767 Captain, right? Here's what your rate was in 2004: $267.52

What is it today in 2014 (10 years later)? $219.62

In order to have the same buying power as the 2004 rate, today's rate would need to be at least: $335.92 (And that's using published inflation. Arguably, it might need to be considerably higher than that.)

Yep. Performance does count!
You completely omit the most important fact. In business the most important thing is your cost structure relative to your competitors. Lose control of your costs and you will lose the business. The NMB believes he above and regardless of what you believe we have to work through the NMB to get a contract. Those who have ignored that fact have had zero success.
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
Yes you can, but it has to be a short first day because your time up until noon is not considered rest.
Also, it would work if the first duty period were a deadhead only duty period, as that would not be an FDP and would not require the 10 hours of prospective rest under the FAR.
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.
I suspect the RFP is going to be almost exactly what the company stated. They want around 50 widebodies with deliveries to start in late 2017. The airframes are planned as replacements not growth. The only thing I see changing is if the rest of the whales are parked they might take delivery of some airframes sooner.
Old 08-20-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You completely omit the most important fact. In business the most important thing is your cost structure relative to your competitors. Lose control of your costs and you will lose the business. The NMB believes he above and regardless of what you believe we have to work through the NMB to get a contract. Those who have ignored that fact have had zero success.
No it's not sailingfun. The most important thing in business is your ability to get a revenue premium over your competitors. Apple is a huge success not because of a competitive cost advantage.

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Old 08-20-2014 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This isn't a north versus south thing tsquare. It's a simple case of the majority of our current reps do NOT want pay restoration. They prefer partnership and cooperation.



It's not badmouthing them, it's a simple statement of fact. A majority of them truly believe that cooperation with management is more important than restoration, or defending our scope language.



We'll never know because DPA won't be the bargaining agent for C2015. This conversation is about our current union and our current reps.

Carl
It's not that they don't want it, they are just wise enough to know that it isn't attainable. Put your emotion aside and you may come to realize why.
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