Indeed. Well, hopefully they will succeed in changing the minds of at least some of the majority.

 

Putting you on the ignore list doesn't solve anything. Why not just treat people with respect? I'm singling you out only because yours is the most recent example. Even I'm responsible for the same horrible behavior. Let other people act like fools. Don't respond in kind.

Purple Drank had issues getting his point across. He has toned down his rhetoric and others are starting to listen. I don't skip his posts anymore. Thanks PD!! Carl has his moments. When he's on a rant I know I can skip a whole page. The next day, after a nice sleep, his posts seem knowledgable and readable. We all seem to have our own distinct personalities on this site. (-:

I can almost hear your blood boil when you've read some of Alphas posts. If I stand on my roof I can see the smoke rising from your house. Lol. Beware, the zombies near you are attracted to that kind of stuff!!! The alphas and sailings of the world need to figure out a way to reach the Carls and 88's without dismissing them. Respect definitely goes both ways. It's also earned.

Keep up the fight. I'd like a big raise!

 

I supposed it's possible I misunderstood what you were saying. Here it is. I'll explain how I took it and then you can explain how I misunderstood...
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore:

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Originally Posted by flyallnite
...it starts with asking. Are we at least planning to do that?

The answer I get from my reps is a resounding yes.

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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Or is DALPA just going to phone this one in too, paying for tiny raises with more onerous give aways and concessions?

I don't agree for a minute that that's what happened last time.
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flyallnite is asking if we are at least planning to ask for something more significant in C2015 than what we asked for in C2012. You answer that your reps have indicated a "resounding yes."

Then flyallnite asks if if DALPA is just going to "phone this one in too" like they did with C2012. You answer that you don't agree for a minute that that's what happened in C2012.

So... I don't see how you can have it both ways, Alan. You indicate that you and your reps expect a significantly better performance with C2015, but then you indicate you think they did just fine with C2012, which implies no improvement needed.

 

Sorry if it comes across that way. I definitely don't lose any sleep over anything Alfa says. It's like water off a ducks back. He has no credibility as far as I'm concerned. I just like to point out where he has it wrong so that others won't be mislead.

And if you've read many of my posts over the years, you know I try to stay above board. As you point out, none of us are perfect. But I try hard to keep it respectful the vast majority of the time. Unfortunately, sometimes the line gets crossed and I respond in kind. I think sometimes that is about the only way to handle it. I don't believe you'll find many examples (maybe none?) where I've initiated that. Alfa crossed that line a long time ago. I have a very low threshold of tolerance for him. Sorry.

 

There are a lot of limitations with your ignore suggestion, 88 Driver, but it may be worth a shot.

Some posters have a template through which they try to force every current topic. There are two things or three things they say, over and over again. They view any and all conversation as an excuse to broadcast those things. Having exchanges with them is futile, because nothing you could possibly say will make them change their mind: their ONLY purpose here is to see their view prevail.

When they're hijacking a thread as completely as you and a few handful of others, then possibly the ignore function MIGHT work. It's not as good as, say, having you refrain from continuously preaching to the "idiots" that disagree with you, but since this is where you and some of the others have taken the L&G... why not try?

 

Bingo, we have a winner!

 

Originally Posted by scambo1
Firstmob had a post that speculated that the RFP was going to be bigger and more eye watering than we think.

I've heard of some non RFP used planes in the works, but nothing about an expanded RFP.



Now this is a Latest and Greatest post I think we all enjoy seeing.

 

I would encourage you to do that... especially since your mind was obviously closed to what I have to say a long time ago.

My main purpose in being here is to try to get others to do some critical thinking about what they're being told by DALPA (which I obviously think is wrong). I think we as a pilot group are being manipulated into accepting a lower value for our profession when that lower value is not necessary. I realize I'm never going to change your mind, but hopefully there are others who are more open minded and have greater respect for the value of what we do. If I've reached a few people with my message then it's been worth it.

So who gets to determine whether someone is "hijacking" a thread? Sounds like maybe you're just uncomfortable with certain messages.

And I'm not going to let you get away with characterizing me as someone who calls everybody who disagrees with me an "idiot." That is far, far from the way I have handled myself here. Alfa brought up the reference to "idiot" and I responded with what I thought. I do think his ideas are idiotic. Show me where I've said that about anyone else.

 

I searched this thread. Couldn't find what I was looking for but I'm sure it's been addressed.

I've got a buddy that just got hired. Guys in his class were comparing hotels for rates/availability during their initial training. I thought we fixed that in the last contract. Doesn't the company pay for initial training lodging? The way I read the contract it says they do (Sect 5, E, 1, a, 1). That said, the New Hire Pilot Guide (dated May 2014) says they are on their own. Which is it?

ranger

 

Of course, hoserpilot, the problem with the sweet sugar of aircraft rumors isn't a meaningful substitute for actual compensation, but then again, someone started a thread ostensibly dedicated to discussing concepts in adequate compensation.

So there is that. And maybe here, a good-natured rumor, humor and underboob emporium.