Why does it matter who in management did or did not want to hire? To us, the result is the same.

Have you considered that by repeating that nonsense, you are being manipulated by a classic "God cop-bad cop" bit out of a world-class union buster's playbook?

Not that I agree with PD with a lot of things but the giveback of profit sharing was an epic mistake. Basically you are saying, as my union rep has said now, that we sold profit sharing for too little in c2012.

Let me ask you this, as you state above, do you think c2012 would have passed a vote if the pay raises were 2% less? Not a chance. Even Delta guys that rubber stamp vote would have had a problem with that.

If the company wants to talk about monetizing profit sharing this time around, then it needs to come after we get the pay raises without giving it up.

You are just beating a dead horse. I have 3 phones on my plan. My old bill was $168 a month. My phone was eligible for the upgrade the the other 2 lines were not. I went in and got the iphone 6 and my new bill is $108 per month. I went from 1000 minutes to unlimited minutes and I went from 2GB to 3GB of shared data. I walked out of the store more than elated. My bill was reduced $60 a month and I got the new phone. I did a follow up call with my sales gal and asked her if I wouldn't have gotten a better deal without upgrading my phone and she said no. I'm glad I don't consult with you you for financial advice

So will some of the 767 Three Hundred International E-R airplanes be turned to domestic jets as the 330s and 350s roll in?

Just curious. As the 7ERs approach the expensive maintenance cycles in their lives will they have plenty of cycles left to burn per given AFH vs just flying them until they hit the hour limits but have AFCs left over?

I mean at what point do you put a 767-300ER down? "We went her to a big farm, where she will have plenty of fresh air and be with others just like her?? Is it calendar based, AFH based or AFC based?

Just hoping that they have another life in them as domestic heavy lifters.

I agree. The cellular plans have gotten ridiculously complicated though. However, in my case I am on a Sprint plan no longer offered but grandfathered for us. Family plan with unlimited data and text + 1500 minutes....5 lines for $200ish with the DL discount. Just upgraded a phone on the plan to a new iphone 6. That line was $30/mo all along and still is. Was eligible for the subsidy so the phone was $299. That line still costs me $30/month. Only difference is that line is now under another 2 year contract. I would have kept that line for the next 2 years anyway, new phone or not, for the same $30/month, so I feel that I really did get the phone for $299. Besides, these days it seems like if I wanted to switch to another carrier, that carrier would buy out my early termination fees..

The plan is to retire the ER's when they are about 30 years old. We got the first one around 1990.

You post lots of interesting and thought provoking stuff, but your constant insistence that those who disagree with you are manipulated is tiring. Besides, 2012 is old news. We should learn from the many mistakes made in passing that contract, but bashing on people isn't going to bring them around to your way of thinking.

The problem, as seen from those that have been around the block a few times, is that we never seem to learn from the mistakes. From strikes to CH11, mergers, and more recently record profits. The message is always the same. "we'll get em next time" or "live to fight another day". Giving up part of our profit sharing to fund 4,8,3,3 is inexcusable. Will it really be any different this time?

Well, I for one think a domestic 767-300ER category would be rather divine.



And the last bastion of hope for the "if it ain't Boeing..." crowd.

I'm going to bid the A350 to get a summer off.