08-29-2016Quote:
For years I have had trips that I should be able to hold that go to Jr pilots. On the SAPA forums there seems to be a lot of confusion over the "removed/replaced due to line constraints"
I can hold a 3 day trip or 4 day with 30 hr layover with 22 hours credit. But PBS can only give me 83 hours and based on what senior pilots bid, I need 86 hours. PBS will drop my trip that I could have held and award me another trip on a lower layer that will give me an additional 3 hours. The junior pilot gets the trip I wanted because by the time it gets down to them, PBS is only requiring 83 hours or less.
While I agree reflow is a horrible idea (and one that SAPA seems intent on passing) each month we have seniority violated with PBS. Why do you think the bids are not published? Nobody knows how to find out who is flying a trip via the flow board or other ways? It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with transparency. We have no idea how many hours PBS is going to need but since it globalizes, we have to guess what the other pilots ahead of us will do. We are assigned crappier trips from lower layers and junior pilots get to fly the trips we should have been able to hold.
So the question was "What is the point of bidding if the company can just reflow you to a different trip?" Yeah that will be a huge hit to QOL, but we are already not getting the trips awarded to us because we have no oversight into PBS. And yes I have talked to SAPA about this and even our PBS SAPA rep. Nobody cares that this is happening every month.
It had everything to do with Republic and that's exactly why I posted it there. You have taken it out of context and made it into something it wasn't.Originally Posted by disillusioned
From the Republic thread. I wanted to move it over here since it didn't have anything to do with Republic but I wanted to point out the violation of seniority of PBS.For years I have had trips that I should be able to hold that go to Jr pilots. On the SAPA forums there seems to be a lot of confusion over the "removed/replaced due to line constraints"
I can hold a 3 day trip or 4 day with 30 hr layover with 22 hours credit. But PBS can only give me 83 hours and based on what senior pilots bid, I need 86 hours. PBS will drop my trip that I could have held and award me another trip on a lower layer that will give me an additional 3 hours. The junior pilot gets the trip I wanted because by the time it gets down to them, PBS is only requiring 83 hours or less.
While I agree reflow is a horrible idea (and one that SAPA seems intent on passing) each month we have seniority violated with PBS. Why do you think the bids are not published? Nobody knows how to find out who is flying a trip via the flow board or other ways? It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with transparency. We have no idea how many hours PBS is going to need but since it globalizes, we have to guess what the other pilots ahead of us will do. We are assigned crappier trips from lower layers and junior pilots get to fly the trips we should have been able to hold.
So the question was "What is the point of bidding if the company can just reflow you to a different trip?" Yeah that will be a huge hit to QOL, but we are already not getting the trips awarded to us because we have no oversight into PBS. And yes I have talked to SAPA about this and even our PBS SAPA rep. Nobody cares that this is happening every month.
Educate yourself. Reflow 1-2-3.
PBS sucks. That's no mystery. Seniority violations have been happening since Day 1. But for those that get what they bid for, most of us, being reflowed off a good overnight sucks worse than PBS. Especially considering what was awarded is being taken away.
And at the very least, since PBS isn't going to change, we need to protect ourselves from any reflow policy as do Republic pilots with their LBFO. Hence the post in that thread.
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