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Old 08-05-2015 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks

Not supporting this, BUT at least y'all didn't vote in concessions in exchange for new planes. So thank you. Not sure if this constitutes 'holding the line', but at least you didn't degrade it
Nearly 2/3 voted yes & while almost every other regional airline is taking concessions for airplanes, we did not. At the end of the day, we are at a regional airline in order to be truly compensated like you really want, should and need to be we would have to go to a major.

Get in and get out.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:27 PM
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I work at a regional right? sheeesh
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
agreed. But you have to be happy they didn't pull a Brown Streak......
I want our profession to stop thinking this way. We are working in a era of record profits. Our petty contracts that we are making incremental increases from were negotiated after airline bankruptcies, 9/11, etc. We are doing the exact same job as mainline pilots, they have NEGOTIATED huge pay increases in recent times. We have been brainwashed to stay "cost competitive".

Embarrassing.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Nearly 2/3 voted yes & while almost every other regional airline is taking concessions for airplanes, we did not. At the end of the day, we are at a regional airline in order to be truly compensated like you really want, should and need to be we would have to go to a major.

Get in and get out.
And thIsssssssssssssssssss is why the regionals will never die. "Get in get out."

We are just all too eager to subsidize mainlines operating costs....
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:37 PM
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This is the final stop for some of us, you kids need not ruin it please thx!
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
And thIsssssssssssssssssss is why the regionals will never die. "Get in get out."

We are just all too eager to subsidize mainlines operating costs....
Well it certainly didn't stop you from applying at a regional, did it? The point is young man, that the regionals will disappear when they have no more supply which we both are sir! There are no more pilots to fly RJ's and mainline will have to do something else. 1500 hour rule has made it virtually impossible for me to use the higher low time pilot light Indian in the past. How are they supposed to get 121 experience? How are they supposed to qualify themselves to get to the majors? It's not me it's the system, don't play hate the player hate the game.

I was a Captain at a 135 carrier for I came to Skywest and apply to every and I mean every major out there..and nada. At the end of the day sir, the majors are hiring pilots with 121 and military and some 135 jet time.

So check yourself young man.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:42 PM
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Don't blame the SKW pilot group, the company voted the graveyard, eeer I mean the new-hires.

SAPA did a backdoor vote in May after the first pay package failed so as to allow new-hires to vote this time around. That's about 600 peeps who were looking at a massive pay-raise, all for twenty seconds of their time to check a box and click submit on the interwebs. I'll bet 99% voted, and 99% of them voted yes.

There's a reason NOBODY else in this freakin industry allows newhires to vote.

Ok, later. Off to airline apps now.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:44 PM
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Sorry if it's already been posted but does anyone have bullet point specifics of the agreement? I went back about ten pages but couldn't find any.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:49 PM
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Most people I've talked to are pretty happy, and yes the increase in first year pay is attractive to a potential applicant.
Old 08-05-2015 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Last vote was 86% turnout, 61% No and 39% Yes. This is less turnout and an overwhelming complete flip of the voting outcome.
Was the last vote before SAPA changed the by-laws to allow new hires to vote?



Originally Posted by FLowpayFO
I don't trust SAPA. I think those numbers are rigged. And guess what? We can't do a thing about it until we vote a real Union in.

Who administers the vote?

Originally Posted by WaterRooster
They will never make everyone happy.... So time to suck it up and go forward. Are there other regionals that have better contracts?

Be happy, you could be military and never have any say in anything.

Air Wisconsin, horizon, xjt, and Asa off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Umm...no voter here's! And I don't agree that that is a concession. A concession is a loss on what you previously had. Show me one airline that matches inflation in the regional industry.
Air Wisconsin?



Originally Posted by TheFly
Nearly 2/3 voted yes & while almost every other regional airline is taking concessions for airplanes, we did not. At the end of the day, we are at a regional airline in order to be truly compensated like you really want, should and need to be we would have to go to a major.



Get in and get out.

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? Why can't the ones who get in and get out also try to make it better?
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