Tool of the day - Page 638 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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ShyGuy , 05-26-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

No matter what airplane you buy, step one should be to take it out with an experienced (in type) Instructor and learn how to fly it.

I'm not talking about just doing pattern work, I'm talking about extensive air work; slow flight, steep turns, stall recoveries, upset recoveries, etc. all done at a safe altitude of course.

And if the weather is 'marginal' and you have no instrument time, or very little, or have your ticket but haven't flown any actual IFR in a while, bring an IP with you there too!

Just ask Jon Jon Kennedy what can happen if you don't.

Like you said with a new plane take an instructor and learn all the quirks and specifics. A good instructor would have told him if he was ever overwhelmed, unsure, needed time, too busy, etc etc..... All he had to do was push 3 buttons. AP, Hdg, Alt. if that was drilled to him he would have done just that and flown straight level until over Martha's Vineyard.

#6372

Senior Skipper , 05-26-2015 12:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeF16

Valid.

I seized my opportunity after the 2nd scolding by the controller. After the 1st one nobody talked for like 10 seconds so right after he berated everybody the 2nd time I was able to get my callsign out there. I didn't say anything for about 3 minutes and out of the blue he cleared us to taxi .

That said, when captain Happy had his tirade we all (rightfully) berated him. While the controller didn't stoop to that level of toolery, he was out of line in the way he was acting. It's not always our fault when things go wrong. No need to defend a ground controller when he crosses the line past unprofessional and deep into tooldom.

As an aside, it gave the captain and I something to joke about for the rest of the night.

I agree with you on this last post. Too often though, I've found that as pilots, we forget that the controller has other planes to deal with. Looks like you and I deal with this stuff the same way.

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flyingberk , 05-26-2015 12:32 PM

Line Holder

Don't know if this is already in here somewhere, but I nominate:

Caching In On The Food Babe - Her Air Travel Tips

#6374

Sputnik , 05-26-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cardiomd

I go up and spin Super-D's occasionally, got my tailwheel endorsement a long time ago, makes one a better pilot. You can guarantee I'm going to fly a plane that can't recover from a spin, and does things like Shyguy's accident post, in a much different way than a decathlon. I wouldn't do steep banks or load the wing close to the ground, but again I safely would do this in a plane I'm very familiar with and has benign approach to stall characteristics.

I have never gotten into an inadvertent spin or stall, its not something I worry about-fly within the limits of the aircraft. I did steep turns, stalls and pattern work with a couple hundred students in the Cirrus. I never had a problem. Apparently the safety record isn't as clear cut as I had thought, but my experience indicated nothing inherently unsafe about the aircraft, even when flown by brand new pilots.

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Piklepausepull , 05-26-2015 12:38 PM

Bye Bye Maddog!

What about the 757 guy who slowed early in the ATL, got a reasonable "please don't do it again unless you ask..." from the controller, who just couldn't let it go and continued to argue himself into a flight violation right there on final!

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Firsttimeflyer , 05-26-2015 12:45 PM

Stuck Mic

Yeah...but how long was final and was a wind check ever received?

#6377

badflaps , 05-26-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeF16

And this guy too. I just knew somebody would chime in with a L2RADIO comment. I suppose every pilot at JFK was an idiot who didn't understand radio etiquette. This was a tool controller, end of story.

He wasted half his radio time trying to get some WB past an RJ that wasn't even on freq. Had to listen to the controller tirade about the RJ when he could've had a warm cup of STefU and actually moved aircraft that were capable of moving. The entire problem was caused by the controller, made worse by the controller, and complained about by the controller.

New York has been like that since Motorola put the first radio in...Learn to live with New Yorkers in general or medically retire early. Nobody gonna change them boys and girls.

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EMBFlyer , 05-26-2015 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull

Gee...what airline could that be?

#6379

GogglesPisano , 05-26-2015 02:03 PM

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If an airport is that busy they need a metering freq. Also, most of the time pilots (and controllers) who block each other don't realize they're doing it because two stations key the mic at the exact same time. How are they to know? Listening won't help. (Think about it.)

Rather than throwing a tantrum, the controller should have taken "control" of the situation by calling aircraft by position.

#6380

atc niner , 05-26-2015 02:14 PM

New Hire

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

Speaking as a Center contoller only we know when somebody just flips the switch and starts talking. They are usually interupting somwhere between a control instruction and the readback. Happens quite often.

I've had pilots that have been on my frequency interupt asking about rides ahead right after I issue a clearance to somebody else.