What about XX% for XX%! Translated, we are ok with a 100% increase in VTO's for a 100% pay raise. 99 for 99, 98 for 98 and so on. Since we are just spitballin' here, why not.

I'm trying very hard to see where you're coming from - and I just don't get it. Why would I want an extra helping of something I know to be bad if it's made a little better? The hard lines get worse every month, there is no logical reason to believe that VTOs will be made so much better that half of us will be happy to have them.

A VTO is a line built from loose trips and R-Days. THAT IS PBS!!!!!! You can say whatever you like about "improving the VTO rules", but if we were to successfully keep this type of line building technology under control, we would be the first pilot group to successfully do so. Every MEC with PBS has tried, none have been successful.

There is no question in my mind that this is simply a shot at our vacation. PBS style line building decimates vacations. Additionally, I don't think half of the crew force wants to get their schedule on the 27th of the month.

There are so many reasons to be opposed to this. I just don't see the silver lining here.

By the way, I have worked under PBS. I am not just speculating here.

Pipe

And VTOs go more senior than reserve so how bad is it? Imagine how senior they would go if you could actually build your line instead of requesting 40 different options and hoping. I am not trying to get PBS but our bid line adjustments suck. The company has us over a barrel. If we want to improve insufficient reserves or VTOs not being awarded as requested we must negotiate. They want something we want something, see how it works?

BTW the company wanted 100% VTOs. If this thread is to be believed they are down to 40/50% VTOs. My guess is we currently have 15% VTOs. Let's fix scheduling in exchange for another 10% VTOs. Win win

I have a better idea...Let's just fix scheduling.

What are you willing to give up for that?

As a vto/reserve holder at the present, I say we would be crazy to increase the VTO lines without CONCRETE rules in place for construction of the lines. Trusting the company to do right by us has left the building. Look I love working for FedEx but the current management team has proven time and time again they will decrease our quality of life to increase their margin. If they really want us to go down this road they system needs to built and tested before we agree on anything. One reason I bid a vto line over rsv is all I can hold is A rsv or vto so might as well get paid more to fly a rsv. Try to move or trade a rday, watch your choices given to more junior guy holding vto, not honoring a simple request of certain days off "1st choice BTW" and still giving you all a rsv days "no holiday involved" are all reasons not to trust them.

My time, on the picket line.

And, you?

If we ever were released to self help that would not be necessary if guys would simply fly their line and not deviate we would have a contract in a short time.

I agree 100%. We would indeed be crazy to increase VTOs keeping current rules in place. I wont upgrade until I can hold 50% because I never want to bid reserve or VTOs again. Number 1 quality of life for me is control of my days off. But there is no reason that the number one VTO shouldn't be able to pick his combination of trips and R days with no veto by joe bob scheduler.

Sure Ill join you. $50 bucks says we go binding arbitration (or PAB) before we strike. Care to bet?