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01-31-2015, 09:27 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Sure Ill join you. $50 bucks says we go binding arbitration (or PAB) before we strike. Care to bet?
I don't want to strike, but "work to the rule", no draft, no volunteer, no make up of any kind, no deviation, could and would be effective.
01-31-2015, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
I don't want to strike, but "work to the rule", no draft, no volunteer, no make up of any kind, no deviation, could and would be effective.
01-31-2015, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I agree 100%. We would indeed be crazy to increase VTOs keeping current rules in place. I wont upgrade until I can hold 50% because I never want to bid reserve or VTOs again. Number 1 quality of life for me is control of my days off. But there is no reason that the number one VTO shouldn't be able to pick his combination of trips and R days with no veto by joe bob scheduler.
We don't need a mediator, we need a translator. Someone who can speak (line) pilot but is powerful enough that lawyers and senior managers won't ignore what comes out of their mouth.
01-31-2015, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I agree 100%. We would indeed be crazy to increase VTOs keeping current rules in place. I wont upgrade until I can hold 50% because I never want to bid reserve or VTOs again. Number 1 quality of life for me is control of my days off. But there is no reason that the number one VTO shouldn't be able to pick his combination of trips and R days with no veto by joe bob scheduler.
01-31-2015, 11:08 AM
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If we are going to negotiate for scheduling rules, let's negotiate for more power in the line building process. Let's not negotiate to let THEM build more of our lines, unseen by us, after bidding closes.
Seems pretty simple. We are discussing a concession with this VTO increase proposal. The company dropped their PiBS proposal and shifted to what amounts to a partial PiBS proposal. A camel's nose and a tent come to mind. We surely are not stupid enough to bite just because they removed the name PiBS. If anyone can give me one valid reason that we should be in a concessionary mindset, I'd be interested to hear it.
Pipe
Seems pretty simple. We are discussing a concession with this VTO increase proposal. The company dropped their PiBS proposal and shifted to what amounts to a partial PiBS proposal. A camel's nose and a tent come to mind. We surely are not stupid enough to bite just because they removed the name PiBS. If anyone can give me one valid reason that we should be in a concessionary mindset, I'd be interested to hear it.
Pipe
01-31-2015, 11:21 AM
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VTO more Senior than Reserve?
I've never been on an airplane at FedEx where that is categorically true. I have experienced being TOO junior to Hold a Reserve line. Which really meant being awarded a random reserve line via the VTO process.
Not having looked at all of the fleet rewards, I'd venture a guess that the first 20-30% of VTO lines go somewhat Senior, the next third a muddled result, but the last 20-30% go Junior.
I, for one, would like the VTO builds to be processed more like the CIA function runs. I understand that trips do pop into availability late in the process sometimes, but it's incredibly frustrating to see someone Junior to you flying a trip you requested. A trip that was available when you submitted your VTO "Request"
I've never been on an airplane at FedEx where that is categorically true. I have experienced being TOO junior to Hold a Reserve line. Which really meant being awarded a random reserve line via the VTO process.
Not having looked at all of the fleet rewards, I'd venture a guess that the first 20-30% of VTO lines go somewhat Senior, the next third a muddled result, but the last 20-30% go Junior.
I, for one, would like the VTO builds to be processed more like the CIA function runs. I understand that trips do pop into availability late in the process sometimes, but it's incredibly frustrating to see someone Junior to you flying a trip you requested. A trip that was available when you submitted your VTO "Request"
01-31-2015, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan
VTO more Senior than Reserve?
I've never been on an airplane at FedEx where that is categorically true. I have experienced being TOO junior to Hold a Reserve line. Which really meant being awarded a random reserve line via the VTO process.
Not having looked at all of the fleet rewards, I'd venture a guess that the first 20-30% of VTO lines go somewhat Senior, the next third a muddled result, but the last 20-30% go Junior.
I, for one, would like the VTO builds to be processed more like the CIA function runs. I understand that trips do pop into availability late in the process sometimes, but it's incredibly frustrating to see someone Junior to you flying a trip you requested. A trip that was available when you submitted your VTO "Request"
I've never been on an airplane at FedEx where that is categorically true. I have experienced being TOO junior to Hold a Reserve line. Which really meant being awarded a random reserve line via the VTO process.
Not having looked at all of the fleet rewards, I'd venture a guess that the first 20-30% of VTO lines go somewhat Senior, the next third a muddled result, but the last 20-30% go Junior.
I, for one, would like the VTO builds to be processed more like the CIA function runs. I understand that trips do pop into availability late in the process sometimes, but it's incredibly frustrating to see someone Junior to you flying a trip you requested. A trip that was available when you submitted your VTO "Request"
Now how are we going to fix the VTO system unless we are willing to negotiate.
01-31-2015, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pipe
If we are going to negotiate for scheduling rules, let's negotiate for more power in the line building process. Let's not negotiate to let THEM build more of our lines, unseen by us, after bidding closes.
Seems pretty simple. We are discussing a concession with this VTO increase proposal. The company dropped their PiBS proposal and shifted to what amounts to a partial PiBS proposal. A camel's nose and a tent come to mind. We surely are not stupid enough to bite just because they removed the name PiBS. If anyone can give me one valid reason that we should be in a concessionary mindset, I'd be interested to hear it.
Pipe
Seems pretty simple. We are discussing a concession with this VTO increase proposal. The company dropped their PiBS proposal and shifted to what amounts to a partial PiBS proposal. A camel's nose and a tent come to mind. We surely are not stupid enough to bite just because they removed the name PiBS. If anyone can give me one valid reason that we should be in a concessionary mindset, I'd be interested to hear it.
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01-31-2015, 12:56 PM
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Don't need a new contract to improve the VTO automation process, that's an option mgt has in our current contract.
Sure would be nice to be able to submit an unlimited number of specific trip requests, like you can for CIA....versus the 10-15 odd options we get now
From Sec 25, VTO construction
If the parties jointly agree to a new automated secondary line process which puts the pilot in direct contact with automation capable of generating secondary lines, such automation shall include the ability to assign available R-days/blocks before trips based on a pilot's bids.
Sure would be nice to be able to submit an unlimited number of specific trip requests, like you can for CIA....versus the 10-15 odd options we get now
From Sec 25, VTO construction
If the parties jointly agree to a new automated secondary line process which puts the pilot in direct contact with automation capable of generating secondary lines, such automation shall include the ability to assign available R-days/blocks before trips based on a pilot's bids.
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