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Old 01-29-2015 | 09:31 AM
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Reserve is terrible now. I can't imagine it with a greater percentage of PiBS lines.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 09:39 AM
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After screwing us with age 65, the union should throw some bones to the junior guys.

For example, we should have draft pay for any holiday that the company requires you to submit a doctor's note for if you are sick.

Of course, then the junior guys would be home for the holidays, and all of a sudden, trips over holidays would go senior.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
They want to make more Secondary reserve lines. The ones where you have no say in which days off you get and they can make them really ugly with stupid days on/days off patterns.

Ridiculous, of course. If they want more reserve lines they should....wait for it....build more reserve lines.

It gives them incredible flexibility. No disruptions or extra pays. If they want you to let you drop a day or two of reserve they get to choose which ones.

THIS is why we need better reserve line pay. If that needed change is made this love of the variable reserve line will fade.
We would certainly be stupid to agree to more VTOs with the current rules which they ignore anyways. Hopefully we are not stupid.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
We would certainly be stupid to agree to more VTOs with the current rules which they ignore anyways. Hopefully we are not stupid.

So if we agree to more VTOs/PiBS lines with "new" rules which they will then ignore, that's OK? Not very logical.
Reserve sucks. Don't make it worse by substituting more PiBS lines in the bidpack.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 11:46 AM
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So if we agree to more VTOs/PiBS lines with "new" rules which they will then ignore, that's OK? Not very logical.
Reserve sucks. Don't make it worse by substituting more PiBS lines in the bidpack.
So vto is good as is. Got it. Don't improve it. Don't mess with trip trading either.

We can make improvements, all's it takes is make sure it cost the company money when they cheat. One example, if the company advertises a stby period, they must fill it. If there are no normal open time requests then they must take a volunteer at 150% before giving to a reserve. If it goes to a reserve he gets 150% RLG.

Or we can wait until the arbitrator gives them relief.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Good let's settle for 25% and fix VTOs and get real time trip trading and a fix to insufficient reserves. This could be a chance to make scheduling better for junior line holders.
HOW ABOUT NO!!!!!

VTO is basically poor man's PiBS for 25% (or 40%) of the crew force.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

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Old 01-29-2015 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pipe
HOW ABOUT NO!!!!!

VTO is basically poor man's PiBS for 25% (or 40%) of the crew force.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

PIPE
To each his own, some VTO lines go very senior, most go before the reserve lines. But if you think things are good enough now, by all means tell your rep not to negotiate. I am sure the mediator/arbitrator will feel as you do.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pipe
...HOW ABOUT NO!!!!!

VTO is basically poor man's PiBS for 25% (or 40%) of the crew force.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

PIPE
.......+1

A very, very poor man

Guys --- concentrate on "focused change"

No need to agree on large scale scheduling methods where they will have greater control and reduce pilot flexibility
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Old 01-29-2015 | 03:44 PM
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Just reminded how much VTO sucks. #8 VTO and my first choice went to a junior VTO. ***?
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Old 01-29-2015 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CargoCan
Just reminded how much VTO sucks. #8 VTO and my first choice went to a junior VTO. ***?
And nobody wants to fix it. They like it just the way it is.

Originally Posted by DLax85
.......+1

A very, very poor man

Guys --- concentrate on "focused change"

No need to agree on large scale scheduling methods where they will have greater control and reduce pilot flexibility
Yeah 3% baby, where do I vote yes.
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