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So he then said that it would probably be grieved due to the fact that the equipment doesn't show up in Group 1, but we'd probably lose that.
Disregard all I said and bravo for pointing that out. My bad.
Originally Posted by aa73
Edit: my union guy just contacted me again and corrected himself. It appears you're right. The language used to say "certificated", now it says "configured." So he then said that it would probably be grieved due to the fact that the equipment doesn't show up in Group 1, but we'd probably lose that.
Disregard all I said and bravo for pointing that out. My bad.
Wow. Now you figure that out. You are example #1 to argue against giving line pilots a vote on anything but simple black-and-white issues.
Be prepared to be surprised by more language you thought said one thing / was in there once but isn't anymore / wasn't in there in the first place, etc., etc., and is now being grieved because the Company has just used that fact to walk all over you.
Why did nobody see that the B717 would be a Group I aircraft, which if operated at newAAmerican would be operated at a huge pay discount to Delta peers??!!
Not that the 66% will pay any attention, but you really need to look past the shiny $ bait to see where the real deal is. Fools.
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Originally Posted by Just trust them
Delta 2015 Pay (AA proposed)
CA/12yr FO/12yr FO/4yr
B717 195.19 (149.18) 133.30 (101.88) 115.78 (88.49)
E195 163.88 (149.18) 111.94 (101.88) 97.21 (88.49)
E190 139.42 (149.18) 95.21 (101.88) 82.70 (88.49)
CA/12yr FO/12yr FO/4yr
B717 195.19 (149.18) 133.30 (101.88) 115.78 (88.49)
E195 163.88 (149.18) 111.94 (101.88) 97.21 (88.49)
E190 139.42 (149.18) 95.21 (101.88) 82.70 (88.49)
Group 1 is any aircraft configured with 117 seats or less. Configured, not type certificated.
Delta operates the Boeing 717 configured with 110 seats, new-AAmerican operates the Embraer 190 with 99 seats.
A 'Yes' vote means that new-AAmerican pilots will fly the E190 with 10% less seats than Delta's B717, for 24% less pay.
Standard configuration for the E195-E2 is 132 seats in single class. It can be configured for 117 seats in a First/economy plus/economy configuration.
When Doug Parker gets his 117-seat aircraft, the new-AAmerican pilots will be flying 7% more people in it than a full Delta B717. For 24% lower pay.
A large part of Group II operations (MD-80, A319) will be done by 117 seat Group I aircraft.
Meanwhile, Group III operations will be transitioning to operation by Group II A321 aircraft.
The Company proposal is a trojan-horse. The advance pay-raise is coming with some very long and very thick strings attached.
Delta operates the Boeing 717 configured with 110 seats, new-AAmerican operates the Embraer 190 with 99 seats.
A 'Yes' vote means that new-AAmerican pilots will fly the E190 with 10% less seats than Delta's B717, for 24% less pay.
Standard configuration for the E195-E2 is 132 seats in single class. It can be configured for 117 seats in a First/economy plus/economy configuration.
When Doug Parker gets his 117-seat aircraft, the new-AAmerican pilots will be flying 7% more people in it than a full Delta B717. For 24% lower pay.
A large part of Group II operations (MD-80, A319) will be done by 117 seat Group I aircraft.
Meanwhile, Group III operations will be transitioning to operation by Group II A321 aircraft.
The Company proposal is a trojan-horse. The advance pay-raise is coming with some very long and very thick strings attached.