Done...

Good idea

I did that also, so much less BS to read now except when people quote him

How many "large RJ" options are out there for Envoy to poach ? You allude to resources for Envoy to poach that I really think don't exist to any significant degree. Let's look at the present playing field, shall we ?

- Envoy (wholly-owned) : Shrinking significantly and to an unconfirmed level. 47 CRJ's still being transferred to PSA Airlines. Can only take an additional 6-20 options above their modest 40 aircraft E-175 commitment. Rest of fleet is obsolete and with limited lifespan, but while fuel is cheap, still usable. Once that changes and should staffing continue to fall as scheduled to unknown goals, look for these aircraft to be systematically parked. Several hundred senior captains that are also financially obsolete.

- ExpressJet : 344 jets, but only 30 of which fly for AA/U. Perhaps 275 pilots committed to AA/U ops which is likely to be phased out over time due to their strong relationship feeding competitors. Normal attrition will cover this situation and this carrier is likely to eventually end its relationship with AA in the future.

- Mesa Airlines : Strong relationship with UAL, so future unknown with AA. Only 9 options for AA flying and operates CRJ-900's which are valuable aircraft and won't be transferred to Envoy as Envoy is slated to exit the CRJ flying business, which is shrinking and whose attrition is far outpacing its recruitment.

- Republic Airlines : Retiring UAL's Q400's so that will temporarily ease staffing concerns there as attrition covers that. Almost all aircraft on order have been delivered, so no option ability to give to Envoy. Good candidate for consolidation with Envoy, which would dilute flow for junior Envoy pilots and future new-hires so as to provide equal opportunity to all of combined carriers pilots, should that occur. Could theoretically gradually transfer the Eagle E-175's to Envoy, but those would just be replacement aircraft for Envoy which wouldn't assist any flow-through engine all that much.

- SkyWest : 335 aircraft for Delta/United and only 30 for AA/U. Likely to also end relationship with AA due to STRONG relationships feeding AA competitors.

- TSA (Trans States) : only 15 aircraft for AA (11 actually from Envoy, but also obsolete E-145's with limited futures). 4 months worth of Envoy pilot attrition is all that staffs this carrier for AA. I don't foresee a long-term relationship with AA here and pilot attrition to non-regionals will provide little relief to Envoy to support any long-term flow engine. Aircraft are all obsolete 50-seaters as well with limited lifespans and no order/options commitments from AAG to fail to staff.

- Piedmont (wholly-owned) : Mostly turboprop routes, but getting some obsolete 50-seaters from.......you guessed it, Envoy. Fairly small carrier whose main question is the future of their majority turboprop route structure which likely can only be financially supportable by new turboprops. No "large RJ" options to give to Envoy.

- PSA (wholly-owned) : Still getting Envoy's 47 CRJ-700 transferred there. 35 obsolete CRJ-200 likely to be phased out as staffing becomes an issue and the larger CRJ's arrive from Envoy, very much like Envoy and their E-145's, but likely faster. 24 CRJ-900's already there and looks to become a solid CRJ-700/900 operator for AA.

- Air Wisconsin : 71 obsolete CRJ-200's. This carrier is the one most likely to be phased out or consolidated. A good bet it may be acquired by PSA, which will help staffing there and not Envoy. Easy training logistics for their present pilot cadre, should that occur.

All these AA regionals will be streamlined and the thought that Envoy will be the recipient of most of their pilots (which is what would be needed to support the aggressive AA flow you are selling...for FREE, BTW) is very unlikely as this will all take time, perhaps another 2-3 years to shake out. Legacy and LCC attrition at these carriers will siphon that hoped for pilot stream to inconsequential levels for Envoy.

I don't see many "options" to exercise and even those that do exist, will not likely have the pilots ANYWHERE to staff them. THAT is why I believe AA's regional network will shrink by up to half, just with virtually all larger RJ's in the 64-76 seat range.

You're shrinking because pilots are leaving not just to AA which is REQUIRED of AAG/Envoy by arbitration award, but also by outside attrition which is far exceeding recruitment AND the fact AA has hired from the street. The new projection from your own union indicates only 15 pilots per month will flow to AA next year on average out of 2000 pilots. That's not much of a flow-through vehicle attraction for new-hires.

1/3 of that 62% were Letter 3 pilots also required to flow due to arbitration award and MORE IMPORTANTLY, occurred at a time when AA HAD NOT BEGUN hiring off the street. Since then, your "incredibly shrinking" airline has simply met the arbitrational requirement to transfer X number of pilots, that's all. Next year, only 175 pilots (all STILL among the arbitrationally required "824" of which perhaps 450 or so are left) will flow. At that rate, it will take almost another 2 years just to get THOSE pilots to AA (if everything runs smoothly). The PPA pilots are a totally different animal and by early 2017, it's just as likely Envoy will be consolidated with other carrier(s) completely rearranging any flow projections for present non-824 pilots there or anyone who signs on in the interim.

BTW, I was reading an article in ATW-plus dated 5/21/15. Although the title was, "American Airlines to Integrate Regional Carriers", it stated a quote from Hashimoto that AAG "is NOT interested in the next generation of regional jets, at least for now". Interpret that as you wish, but I don't think that bodes well for AAG exercising ANY options on large RJ's in the future, at least not until they are confident they can find pilots from ANYWHERE to fly them for a stable period of time. Thus, all your poaching claims don't hold water in my opinion and seem more born of hope, then fact.


*Note to forum; Since Cujo has fled, this will be directed to those here interested in considering all points-of-view whether agreed to or not.

You've been on this forum for almost a decade now and I'm still waiting for a single, solitary post of yours that says anything of substance. The above is simply another one of your nocturnal farts. Those who hear it might giggle for a second or two, but then it's quickly forgotten.

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It's been done for a while. Pretty soon everyone will have blocked that douche and we won't even get to read his posts through quotes!

* Another note to this threads participants and please don't quote it so as to avoid inflicting further agony on members already in the throes of self-imposed emotional distress :

This is an important post to understand. Clearly, the majority of members here are interested in multiple points-of-view, even if they disagree with them and on this subject include those both not at Envoy and some that are. This is a sign of maturity in engaging in discourse. Others though, exhibit two traits that say more negatively about them, then it does about me. First, if one reads my posts, they are simply opinions and discussion/debate regarding a SUBJECT, unlike, the less mature members who personally attack the member instead of debate his message when they disagree with it. The second and more disturbing trait, is the demand and/or expectation that others not just disagree with them, but actually have the right to CONTROL them so that others will not hear from those they disagree with. It's the desire to silence dissent.

This trait is commonly seen among the governments of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and Iran among others. Unfortunately, the post above highlights that while we live in a free society and a democracy, there are always those who believe the only opinion that should be heard by others is one that they agree with and that in reality, they believe those two concepts only apply to their points-of-view. For those unaware, there is a segment of pilots at Envoy who subscribe to this very philosophy, but that does not encompass the majority there. Many pilots there are just as critical as me and question the claims and efforts made by a small, but vocal minority to skew and spin the situation in the hope it will benefit them. All one has to do to avoid my comments, is simply not read them.

Don't forget RJ Pilot and Firstclass

**Standing Ovation!**

You must be (insert perceived insult to discredit the opinion). True ignorance is limiting yourself to information and opinions that only align with your own.

I think pilots and newbies are smart enough to take the information in and decide for themselves what may or may not be true.

That's not true. One of my friends had an argument with a Captain once who didn't "believe in" windchill because TAT goes up as wind speed increases.