It is THIS poster who not only promotes misinformation, but demands the mods act as his weapon to silence others opinions that he disagrees with and THAT is the real disservice to the members here. This forum is neither a dictatorship for any one member, nor are the mods a weapon in his arsenal to silence dissent.

What I've stated is that basically as it stands now, Envoy cannot support the projections of flow to AA (or the upgrade schedule) without an equal number of new-hires that as of now, have yet to materialize. Today the representatives of the DFW base held a teleconference and the info indicates they basically agree with me. Kudos to them, for at least SOMEONE at Envoy believes something factual should be represented about Envoy's present situation. The information I have essentially stated that;

- In order for the flow to work as projected by Wilson letter, 30-40 new-hires will be required every month, that so far has not happened and that the actual new-hire rate is 25% of that required.

- Of the number originally projected to flow this year, that number will now actually be about 75% of projected or roughly 175 pilots. Next years projection to flow will be about the same and that would equate to about 14.7 pilots/monthly average for the year. That number almost matches EXACTLY with the projection of 14.7 pilots/month Envoy plans to upgrade through the end of next year (18 months). Clearly, these numbers now have ALREADY been diluted from the projections of just weeks ago and this reduced number is STILL based on getting that minimum 30-40 pilots/month in the door as new-hires at Envoy.

This is what I've said all along would be likely to occur.

- Due to AA's deferral of Airbus aircraft, the Envoy option abilities have now fallen to anywhere from 6-20 aircraft depending on other RJ reconfigurations. As of now, AAG has made no announcement of additional E-175 options being converted to firm orders for Envoy.

- Potential good news for present 824 pilots is that they may have access soon to new-hire slots on the US Airways partition, however since no mention of that increasing the flow numbers which have actually now been ratcheted back from that Letter's projections, it is unclear if that means less or no flow to the AA partition. Supposedly there was mention made of possibly making either Envoy or more likely all the WO's as the only pathway to AA by none other than Jerry Glass, but that would require AA approval and that will neither be free to the company, nor cheap. I consider that a long shot unless AAG is willing to pony up and make AA pilots compensation more like that of DAL pilots. As it stands now, AA pilots are angry and frustrated AAG management is dragging their feet on implementing JCBA contractual provisions most beneficial to AA pilots.

So, in a nutshell, most of my assertions appear to have been validated by the DFW representatives and the fact remains that AAG has yet to make concrete, long-term commitments to Envoy pilots to ensure Wilson's projections materialize and Envoy management has yet to demonstrate either the willingness or ability to meet the hiring requirements to make it happen.

 

Why would AAG not excercise their option for another 90 E175's though? I read about the Airbus order deferral by AAG but help me understand how that affects the additional 90 jets on option. Are you saying AAG cannot commit to those jets anymore?

 

If AA needed them, they wouldn't be options, they would be orders. It was just a carrot dangled out there to get Envoy to vote yes. AAG is not committed to the options.

 

The RJ fleet count for AA is tied to the number of narrowbody aircraft at mainline. The retirement schedules and now delivery deferrals will limit the ability to add further large RJ's absent another change to the narrowbody retirement schedule.

 

I see what you mean.

 

They would be stupid to do that. Who's going to fly them when they start arriving in 2016 and 2017? There won't be anyone left to fly them, bad investment.

 

That's a lie.

 

They haven't invested in anything beyond 40.... that's why they are options. The 40 will show up, beyond that. not so much.

 

Have you looked at the price of a CRJ from Bombardier? Especially what they are willing to do to sell more? Embraer would have to really sweeten the pot if they hope to get AA to exercise any of those options (envoy or republic). Then expect Parker and co to come to envoy IF they chose to exercise the options and say "either you take xyz concessions or we go with the other carriers options."

I'm fine with never having to go to PBS...

 

Doesn't RAH have a firm order for 47 E175's? That contract agreement is with American, and there is no word of cancelled orders from them.