Envoy to get 100% flow to AA.
#121
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Yes, this is true. Word is getting around and apparently AA crews who commute are really up in arms about Mesa. Not really sure what the long term effect of this will be or how it will all shake out...but it looks like Mesa's DFW flying is in serious question now.
Also, Republic's MIA flying is raising some eyebrows at AA...to say the least. Between Mesa in DFW and Republic in MIA I would say Envoy just happens to be at the right place at the right time....with the right aircraft (E-175).
Also, Republic's MIA flying is raising some eyebrows at AA...to say the least. Between Mesa in DFW and Republic in MIA I would say Envoy just happens to be at the right place at the right time....with the right aircraft (E-175).
#122
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I'd love to know where you're MIA info is coming from. Just because you tell yourself something over and over doesn't make it true. RAH ops in MIA are expanding, not the other way. Our over water exemption is set to be finalized next month, so more routes will be starting out MIA. No hate on any envoy guys, but I don't see a RAH pull out of MIA anytime soon.
Did someone spiked that punch?
#123
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I'd love to know where you're MIA info is coming from. Just because you tell yourself something over and over doesn't make it true. RAH ops in MIA are expanding, not the other way. Our over water exemption is set to be finalized next month, so more routes will be starting out MIA. No hate on any envoy guys, but I don't see a RAH pull out of MIA anytime soon.
#125
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AAG don't care about the flights or customers. Just do it cheaper than the other guy. Parker and company only care if wall street is happy. When wall street gets upset then the employees should watch out because it's never parkers fault.
#126
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I talk to MIA commuters and experience MIA ops and Republic isn't any worse then Envoy was reliability-wise. No comment on Mesa in DFW, but remember they're not big for AA there. The eventual demise of Mesa for AA isn't a bombshell that will change Envoy's major conundrums and that's commitment from AAG and demonstration that commitment will draw the flies to their honey.
#127
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I'd love to know where you're MIA info is coming from. Just because you tell yourself something over and over doesn't make it true. RAH ops in MIA are expanding, not the other way. Our over water exemption is set to be finalized next month, so more routes will be starting out MIA. No hate on any envoy guys, but I don't see a RAH pull out of MIA anytime soon.
Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.
#128
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It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.
Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.
Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.
#129
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It's coming from the company. It's no secret Republic is having staffing issues among other problems. It seems it has begun to affect their MIA flying. I haven't been based in MIA for almost a year but from everyone I speak to it's an issue. I have heard similar things from our DFW CPO. At Envoy we are also doing more and more MIA flying...more than I have seen in a while. Many of our July lines are a deadhead sandwich to MIA....Deadhead on AA at the beginning and end of the trip.
Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.
Again, I don't know what the long term play will be with Republic or Mesa. All I know is that both companies are cut from the same cloth. They operate on razor thin margins to undercut other airlines. This doesn't leave any wiggle room for things like actually paying their pilots. It's blowing up in Bedford's face and Mesa is probably next. Mesa takes it a step further even. Their contract with AA has them eating all the costs associated with cancelled flights...of which there are MANY for one reason or another.
#130
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The moral to this thread is just block everyone with a dissenting view. Soon Cujo, N92 whatever, etc. Will just be able to serenade each other with nothing but milk and honey and great news for eagle.
If you can't see bad news it doesn't exist right?
If you can't see bad news it doesn't exist right?
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