Originally Posted by Skyvector

PSA is down to 4 interviews a month from 5? That means your wait to interview is 31 years instead of 25!

I thought your SSP was supposed to get better, not worse.

Oh well...there's always Frontier.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by WakeWash

For someone always saying they are all about facts, your lack of information about PSA is astounding. It was never 5, it's always been 4. And to this day there is only one person who was ever actually denied the job that didn't tell them straight up no. I don't know where you keep getting this whole people aren't passing the interview thing from. SSP negotiations are in their final stage before they will be shown to the pilot group as well. Why don't you stop trying to put PSA down to the public with false information and just wish the best for pilots in general. Watching you guys pray for republics fall and constantly making up false claims about PSA is really getting old. I'm not talking about the whole envoy pilot group either, I'm talking specifically about you and a few more of your crew on here.

Originally Posted by Skyvector

No arguments with you there...the company lies. As every airline lies...it's not unique to AA/US Airways.

Here is the thing, and it's a bit of bollocks: Those 6 from PSA/PDT went to the US Air side. Until the two seniority lists are 100% integrated our flow language only applies to the AA side. Don't mistake that with the ability to be assigned to the US Air side once already on property. After you FLOW and are already an AA pilot you can at that point potentially go to the E190 in PHL for example. But before any of that...as far as strictly the FLOW is concerned our language only applies to the AA side.

So moving forward, it was made VERY clear earlier this year that for any month AA took deferrals they would not take any Envoy flows. We love to think that a training department is capable of taking an unlimited number of new-hires per month but that isn't the case. There are only so many resources to go around....equipment, classroom space, and instructors. The AA training department is over-taxed as it is with all the new-hires, upgrades, new equipment transfers, not to mention the current issues with the 787.

So it was determined, again long ago, that for any month there were deferrals they would not take any flows for that month. We were told earlier this year this would be in either June or July. The deferrals are only for the AA side, not the US Air side which is why they were still able to take the 3 from PDT and 3 from PSA.

Our flow will resume as normal after July. Also, all the deferrals only have until next year to make their decisions...March or May I believe. I can't remember but it's one of those two. After that they lose their AA seniority forever and it's over.

As I said before...this isn't any big conspiracy and we were told months ago how this would play out. I just wish the Sam or Ray or somebody would nip this one in the bud before it festers any further. I know people like Spanier and Flynn would just add fuel to the fire and spin this thing even further out of control...so I'm not expecting anything out of those two.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

On a personal note?

That's fascinating; you're saying that someone at HQ has a personal vendetta against Envoy? Do tell...

Originally Posted by KC135

I heard people from VX, G4, JB, F9 and NKS are leaving for AE to get the quick flow to AA.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Rumor was that hundreds of Airbus pilots from these carriers converged on the Envoy pilot recruitment offices begging for and in some cases demanding interviews. Supposedly the authorities were called including a riot squad and tear gas was needed to break up the melee. It was reported that many of these pilots were screaming they would pay for their own training and sleep on the RJ's to help reduce costs. Others were said to be folding up $100 bills into paper airplanes and attempting to fly them through the windows of the recruitment office. Someone said before it was broken up, at one point a certain Envoy ALPA rep arrived and began leading the pleading crowd in a hand-holding rendition of 'Kumbaya' wearing a tee-shirt that said "It's a good time to be an Envoy pilot" on the front and "The tide has turned" on the back.

The story told indicated quite a chaotic, but heart-warming scene.