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Ugh...and email from IAD/FAA about Mesa crews calling for clearances prior to 30 minutes before departure. Seems like a lot of those people don't even know better. Almost as embarrassing as the people who call back for an initial altitude after being given a SID.
Quote: No one ever said that the position of the company wasn't management's fault. Whether or not we've been wronged is irrelevant. If you think comparing ourselves to the financial positions of other companies is apples to apples, then you're just stupid.



$80/day? I'm not sure where you get your information but you're wrong. The 95 hour thing was for 175 initial cadre, so wrong again. With the exception of Certain previous members, no one got rich in a volunteer position. How it works: you bid a line, and if you have Union duties, you drop the trip and are paid your regular rate. If you think the Mec didn't read the ta before voting on it, then you're part of the group I mentioned above. At what point did the Mec represent the interest of the company? Negotiation is a two-way street. If you want something, you give something. You can't have everything the way you want it. Stating that fact doesn't make them condescending.

Another thing, in what was way the resignation of BR condescending? He just said the system clearly works, and that to move forward we need to think with our brains, not our emotions. Emotion is what drives the trailer park mentality that puts stickers on the wall in the crew room. Emotion is what gets every half-wit to buy into the idea that every one of our contract demands is cost-neutral. Would you all rather have someone blow smoke at us and say they're hard at work battling the company, and just never produce a result? Face it, your problem isn't with the MEC, it's with the company (rightly so), and the result of our negotiations. So we got a crap deal.. We voted no.. Great. Do you feel empowered? Do you feel like there's some kind of great leverage change? Voting yes wouldn't have helped the company whether or not you want to believe that; and now the company financed more airplanes, there's less money on the table, so we're most likely going to see a similar deal (or worse) 3-4 years from now.
At least I can sleep at night knowing I didn't whipsaw other regionals for another 4+ years by voting in an industry bottom feeder contract. Sure, our contract now sucks, but I can stomach something that is from 2008. Voting this contract down gave MAG pilots the first sliver of respect from other pilot groups in years.
Quote: Not even close. But I guess anyone that disagrees with you must be management or getting rich off the MEC, right?
Nah, but your talking down to people just like the e-mails bro.
Quote: No one ever said that the position of the company wasn't management's fault. Whether or not we've been wronged is irrelevant. If you think comparing ourselves to the financial positions of other companies is apples to apples, then you're just stupid.



$80/day? I'm not sure where you get your information but you're wrong. The 95 hour thing was for 175 initial cadre, so wrong again. With the exception of Certain previous members, no one got rich in a volunteer position. How it works: you bid a line, and if you have Union duties, you drop the trip and are paid your regular rate. If you think the Mec didn't read the ta before voting on it, then you're part of the group I mentioned above. At what point did the Mec represent the interest of the company? Negotiation is a two-way street. If you want something, you give something. You can't have everything the way you want it. Stating that fact doesn't make them condescending.

Another thing, in what was way the resignation of BR condescending? He just said the system clearly works, and that to move forward we need to think with our brains, not our emotions. Emotion is what drives the trailer park mentality that puts stickers on the wall in the crew room. Emotion is what gets every half-wit to buy into the idea that every one of our contract demands is cost-neutral. Would you all rather have someone blow smoke at us and say they're hard at work battling the company, and just never produce a result? Face it, your problem isn't with the MEC, it's with the company (rightly so), and the result of our negotiations. So we got a crap deal.. We voted no.. Great. Do you feel empowered? Do you feel like there's some kind of great leverage change? Voting yes wouldn't have helped the company whether or not you want to believe that; and now the company financed more airplanes, there's less money on the table, so we're most likely going to see a similar deal (or worse) 3-4 years from now.
The last conference call, those exact points were made and not refuted by anyone in the MEC! 80$ day per diem and 95 hour 79 seat pay. His last email was fine, the previous emails weren't, the town hall meetings we were talked down to, the last couple conference calls were! You know the real kicker? Our union was pushing us to sign this piece of crap, to bring it to a vote. The company never said anything either way. Why would we vote on this when all we had to do is wait until we had more leverage? I don't care what financial situation the company is in, industry standard is industry standard, pilots are a commodity, and it is the companies problem to figure out a way to pay market prices for pilots. If we have no leverage right now, then don't waste ours and yours time with this pile of a TA!
Further more, keep up the good work on the LOA's that improved our QOL, but don't lock us in for another 10 freaking years! Really, how could you even bring that to a vote without looking at the rest of the industry??? Seriously, everyone was mad at PSA for theirs, what if we passed this? For once others have a sliver of respect for us! Well, most of us, the names of the people who signed off on this to bring to a vote, you're in the opposite boat...
Quote: The last conference call, those exact points were made and not refuted by anyone in the MEC! 80$ day per diem and 95 hour 79 seat pay. His last email was fine, the previous emails weren't, the town hall meetings we were talked down to, the last couple conference calls were! You know the real kicker? Our union was pushing us to sign this piece of crap, to bring it to a vote. The company never said anything either way. Why would we vote on this when all we had to do is wait until we had more leverage? I don't care what financial situation the company is in, industry standard is industry standard, pilots are a commodity, and it is the companies problem to figure out a way to pay market prices for pilots. If we have no leverage right now, then don't waste ours and yours time with this pile of a TA!

Bro it's $80.... Not 80$... Your lack of writing ability is embarrasing, Plus it's melting my eyes. Please stop.
Quote: Bro it's $80.... Not 80$... Your lack of writing ability is embarrasing, Plus it's melting my eyes. Please stop.
dude i have no idea what you taking about. have you tried typing on a iPad lolz... iz this better $80$, i think this helpz those who agree with you and those that don't you know. i also cant stand those who type forever long sentences without periods at the end because that is just annoying as heck to read i really like cats, they are so cute and cuddly, we sure showed jo with our no votes now please I have a flight to captain with 79 of you're loved ones in the back
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Why is it any time someone points out your wrong you try and blame them as being a union leader. Real simple all schedules can be seen online for pbs awards. You will find every Union volunteer on there and you will see that they all fly and the credit awarded them. Not a single one has a month off and/or getting 95 hours
Quote: Why is it any time someone points out your wrong you try and blame them as being a union leader. Real simple all schedules can be seen online for pbs awards. You will find every Union volunteer on there and you will see that they all fly and the credit awarded them. Not a single one has a month off and/or getting 95 hours
I wasn't talking about the hours or pay but the second half of the post. Basically talking down to everyone telling us we will get even less money now, like we would hear during the road show and e-mails. I mean for reals? lolz
Quote: I wasn't talking about the hours or pay but the second half of the post. Basically talking down to everyone telling us we will get even less money now, like we would hear during the road show and e-mails. I mean for reals? lolz
You quoted the whole post where Nav refutes the 95 hour sit on their ass in Phx claims. It still stands that those who try and correct the ill informed you attach a union label to them in a bad way.
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