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CaptCoolHand , 11-04-2017 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by antbar01

I get what you’re saying here, but WE don’t have scope. And they could give us a better-than-expected contract without scope and the same could be said.

Then Cape Air gets 60 E175s, rebrands as B6 Lite and our seniority list stops cold for five years.

This may be stating the obvious for many, but I fly with guys who don’t understand the gigantic hammer that a weak or nonexistent scope clause gives the company. It is the single piece of leverage the pilot group has over the company short of labor action.

We should DEFINITELY be very vigilant here. No scope/weak scope is a no vote for me. Southwest is the example.

Agree with you 100%. Scope successorship and job protections are a must.

#4542

Bozo the pilot , 11-04-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by antbar01

This post should be gospel. Well said👍

#4543

pilotpayne , 11-04-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

This post should be gospel. Well said👍

Yup and yet there are guys that think scope is worth nothing.....ugh

#4544

Bluedriver , 11-04-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Southerner

Confirmation bias... They want the sky to fall, so they ignore the positive aspects of the email. The fact that it says “We made advancements this week.” Is a positive thing. Also, they noted that the mediator has been “quite helpful.” Another positive. Plus, we have agreed to more mediation sessions.

We are in the end stages, so any movement at this point is good. If it were headed towards impasse, the tone would be much more negative. Anyone who has been through an airline negotiation would understand how positive that last email was. It’s a night and day difference from the last carrier.

These things take patience, and frankly, the posts over there on the other site are downright harmful to our cause.

You don't think confirmation bias works for people with both positive and negative outlooks?

#4545

Southerner , 11-04-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedriver

You don't think confirmation bias works for people with both positive and negative outlooks?

Not if you have a rational and objective look. I don’t have a positive outlook. I look for both the negative and the positive, and call it like I see it. You ALWAYS call it negative. Always.

Some here are the opposite of you, for sure and yes, confirmation bias works for them too.

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SmitteyB , 11-04-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by antbar01

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Rates of pay mean NOTHING without airplanes to support them.

Honestly- great post.

#4547

NightOwl , 11-04-2017 06:00 PM

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No scope = No Vote

#4548

BunkerF16 , 11-04-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmitteyB

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Rates of pay mean NOTHING without airplanes to support them.

Honestly- great post.

I may have misremembered but I thought I heard that the SCOPE section was already TA'd. Anyone else remember hearing that from the P2P conference calls or from a P2P member?

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Chicken Taco , 11-04-2017 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BunkerF16

I may have misremembered but I thought I heard that the SCOPE section was already TA'd. Anyone else remember hearing that from the P2P conference calls or from a P2P member?

Article 1: Recognition and Scope is not TA'd on the current list.

#4550

HeloBubba53 , 11-05-2017 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by antbar01

Could someone explain what “scope” is for those of us new to the airline business.