DirkDiggler

Well that's it right there. People don't know what they're missing if they have never had it.

RJDio

If you say so. Although it's quite comfortable up here in your head.

So Mike, what are you gonna do with that whopping 1% raise now that you don't have any more longevity increases? Tell us what a magnanimous offer it is.

word302

I'm not really sure who he is but I do know he's not the guy you think he is.

Nevjets

I've heard these stories from friends who worked there. One was transferred to the MOD to call out sick. And then had to explain why he was sick and if he was sure he couldn't work. Bubba deals with scheduling on commuting, or with the CPO, etc. It certainly helps the brown nosers or simply the people that are people persons, always doing and saying nice things with ulterior motives for the future favors. I've seen Skywest pilots buy Starbucks or chocolates or cookies to give to gate agents simply for asking to be listed for the Jumpseat. They were so conversational and interested in the gate agent until he got the Jumpseat. Then he acted like no one existed. I've been at a non-union pilot job and have seen this type of culture develop, fake relationships for future favors, raises, promotions, etc. For the normal people, having these rules simplifies life by having them to follow. Come in, do your job, follow the rules, be pleasant, go home, with no need to always be looking out for the next thing or always CYAing. Everyone is treated the same because the rules are the same for everyone. And with that, there is less resentment from real or perceived favored treatment.

word302

We are all more dumb after reading that.

deadseal

He made sense to me. So maybe you should just chill and try to understand what he is getting at.
Because every other unionized pilot group does.
No ass kissers, no politics, no worries. Just the basic rules of a contract that you can adhere to, and life is good.
I'm telling you straight up. It's better with a union.
Imo

DirkDiggler

That story reminded me of a time I had a SkyWest jumpseater. The guy had been there for 1.5 years and called out sick the week before riding with us. It was his only sick call in a year and he had to go in and have a meeting with his ORD CPO about it. We were both floored, like are you kidding me... a meeting?! What kind of nonsense is that. At XJT that is unheard of. If my CP called for a sick call meeting the conversation would go something like "yeah....that's interesting, no thanks ::click::" and there's really not much they can do.

word302

The point was none of that crap you guys are describing happens at OO, union or not. What good would ass kissing do us here? It's still a seniority based system. No politics? Lol, good one. There are politics everywhere. No worries? Haha. Talk to guys at Mesa and Blowjet and get back to me on that one.

word302

Sounds like BS. You have to abuse the system really bad before you get on anyone's radar.

DirkDiggler

This was like 2-3 years ago now. But the guy was visibly nervous of his upcoming meeting. I asked him like 3 times just to be sure because I was in such disbelief. But he did say the CPO meeting was informal and just wanted to see how he was feeling or some crap. Sounds like strong arm tactics to me. It used to be that way with fatigue calls here. Call fatigued and boom CPO phone call. Now the CP is eliminated completely. Strong arm tactics. Either way, union is good for that kind of stuff. Tell them to **** off, drop a trip and call my union rep if they really want a sit down.