word302

Still not buying it.

Utah

Ever notice it's always the non SkyWest pilots pushing the union... And 98% of the time it's XJT or ASA. Surely there isn't a motive...


You know what guys, we're never going to merge list. Get over it and get on with your life. It sucks what's happening to you but blame INC and not us.

Some of you guys have been there for years and have seen this coming. WTF are you still doing there?

Nevjets

Well, I can only tell you what my friend conveyed to me and what that jumpseater did. I've also talked to another gal who was passed over for upgrade because they said she didn't have enough leadership qualities. She was not happy about them usurping her seniority. But also keep in mind that you don't know what you don't know. With my union, I can find out how many outstanding grievances there are and what they are for, how many, if any, group grievances there are, how many pilots have been fired and how many wrongfully terminated. At Skywest, it took one pilot tens of thousands of dollars to get his job back and made public due to having to go through a public federal administrative process. How many times does a pilot at Skywest is unable or unwilling to go through the time, expense, and hassle to greive an issue all the way to arbitration, or in Skywest case, a government administrative process? Many times, the union puts out communications of certain issues that come up with scheduling. They keep track of what scheduling is trying to get away with and let us know. At many non-union places, there is no such transparencies and it therefore creates a perceived situation that doesn't reflect reality. These anecdotes and apparent denial from others seems to be proof of that.

Nevjets

It may not even be a strong arm tactic. I'm pretty sure the pilot was not disciplined. They do this to a pilot for the next time he considers calling in sick or fatigue. It makes the pilot think twice about it instead of letting the pilot make a safety decision without the pressure or hassle of having to answer questions to a superior. It's all part of conditioning pilots.

Utah

The last time I talked to my chief pilot was 2004 and lets just say I call in sick a lot more than the average guy.


And seriously, every single one of your pilots make it through upgrade. You don't have anyone that doesn't?

DirkDiggler

Oh please, nobody wants to merge. 80% of the people have accepted the fate that we will most likely shut down. That's why this place is hemorrhaging pilots. There's a reason we went from nearly 5,000 pilots combined down to about 2,700 now. 1. We don't bend over for Utah like they would surely like us to. 2. We are unionized and tell them to pound sand when necessary 3. We have good contracts and would not take any concessions (rightfully so). They have been growing your side for the exact opposite reasons.

I think being non-union is equivalent to being a bright purple elephant. It's just so rare and doesn't exist. The other 99% of the unionized airline workforce is just in awe at how people can be okay with being non-union and receive daily injections of koolaid by management.

I'm not sure how you anti-union people will ever fit in at a unionized major. Maybe a non-union major will hire you.... Oh wait! That doesn't exist.

word302

It seems that our guys are doing just fine when they move on. Your 3 points are silly.

deadseal

Hey man, I'm just a dude that was mil turn Skywest turn major, I have no agenda, never worked at asa or xjt or whatever. Just interested in the psychology of it all and wanted to share that concrete work rules are way better. If you really think that you are better off without a union than I think you are a fool. No offense personally, I just can't seem to comprehend how anyone can trust a major corporation. Trust isn't the right word, maybe "fail to understand that they are trying to reduce cost as much as possible at your detriment." Spirit is another fascinating psychological drama of corporate greed. It's just interesting to me is all. I think my current company would take us to the cleaners if we weren't unionized. Not because they are "bad" or anything, it's just their job to reduce costs and increase efficiency. Just like my job is to show up on time ready to roll. We all try and do the best we can in our respective AORs.

I guess what I'm trying to give you is a perspective. Now that I have a union at my back it really is much better for the various reasons already stated. What you do with that nugget of info is obviously up to any individual.

word302

So you went to a major and it's better, we get it. How long were you at OO?

deadseal

1 year.......