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03-08-2018, 05:03 AM

#221

Westernflight

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate

So when are you going to be leading the drive for ALPA? Or are are you going to just sit back and complain on here and do nothing? I don't know if I should be shaking my head in disbelief at the lack of a spine, or laughing my head off.

There’s already the early stages of a drive forming behind the scenes. Clearly you haven’t been paying attention. Seems like they’re waiting to see how this next TA goes before handing out the pitchforks. Won’t surprise me if some current members of SAPA resign and join the charge.

03-08-2018, 05:18 AM

#222

metx192

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Originally Posted by Westernflight

Exactly. Now isn’t the time for pitchforks. That comes after the pay package. Although ALPA would be an improvement, we could spend awhile in negotiations before seeing pay increases. Secure raises now, bring in ALPA later.

03-08-2018, 06:06 AM

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flysooner9

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Has there been any progress on a new pay package or is it still just a pipe dream right now?

03-08-2018, 07:03 AM

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amcnd

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Originally Posted by flysooner9

Has there been any progress on a new pay package or is it still just a pipe dream right now?

The time line outlined in the unpdate was late April/ early May..

03-08-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by amcnd

The time line outlined in the unpdate was late April/ early May..

So that's a no?

03-08-2018, 08:02 AM

#226

amcnd

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

So that's a no?

Progress yes.. they meet with management ast started negotiations.... now they have a nother meeting in a few weeks then the April sapa meetings to hopefully present a package to the reps, then to the pilots.... (better then if they said “see ya in 4 years”....). Not holding my breath for much. Most people are over it. And time to move on. Still the same old story. Less then 25% of the pilot group even taking the time for a 10 min survey..

03-08-2018, 08:21 AM

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rickair7777

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Originally Posted by metx192

People made that assumption in 2007, I think it's like having a baby, it's never a good time, you just have to rip the bandaid off and do it.

The problem is too many junior and very senior folks only see themselves paying dues for a few years, and then moving on or retiring before they get an ROI. Going to be a hard sell, although maybe some folks will vote yes not even realizing that the status quo will be locked in for years to come.

03-08-2018, 08:23 AM

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skytrails

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Originally Posted by amcnd

Most people are over it. And time to move on.

How are people over it? They just accept the fact that their peers are making more then they are, in some cases substantially more.

03-08-2018, 09:02 AM

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amcnd

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Originally Posted by skytrails

How are people over it? They just accept the fact that their peers are making more then they are, in some cases substantially more.

Thats a old “qoute” by me. That was in reference to the fact we voted it in. And boy did the industry turn. At the time no
One had a idea that Endeavor would jump to $140hr top pay... move on. Industry is on our side.. will we get more?? Guess will find out in 2 months. If we don't watch attrition soar even higher...