Originally Posted by sn00p

They are rad, glad to see you’re finally coming along dude!

Originally Posted by mercys ghost

Rad? Yea, unions are about as nifty as the 1986 movie Rad.

Originally Posted by mercys ghost

Rad? Yea, unions are about as nifty as the 1986 movie Rad.

Originally Posted by MacrossJet

When's the vote planned?

Originally Posted by MacrossJet

When's the vote planned?

Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev

Why do you guys keep calling ALPA a union? I made the mistake of calling it a union once to an ALPA national representative and he snapped back that it's not a union, it's an "Association". At the time I was saying that it does not seem like much of a "union" than ALPA allows members to become unemployed by airlines going out of business and there is no mechanism to get them employed by another carrier before other people come into the system.

I had just been at an event that had a lot of members of unions for elevator repair, etc and they could not believe that I could become unemployed and then have to compete with other pilots just coming into the industry in order to get a job.

Unfortunately, ALPA does not do much. It really has no power on a national basis. It cannot call for a strike, authorize a strike, or really do anything else other than verbally complain. It's "legal representation" is very second rate and their attorneys usually have only a basic understanding of many issues that are highly important to employees.

Personally, I believe that Skywest pilots have much more power holding the threat of bringing in a union than they would actually having a union.

Originally Posted by herewego

Wait a minute, 5 whole years?
So you're saying you weren't here for the 12 leg days of the Metro, or the 8 Leg days of the Brasilia?
You weren't here when Min Daily Guarantee was 3:45?
Or when FO's were stuck on reserve in the Right Seat of the E120 at $19.25 /hour for 2 years plus?
Or when there was incredible movement so guys transferred out of SLC so they could get a Hotel and Per diem when they Transitioned or upgraded, only to be stuck commuting to Fresno for over two years when the music stopped?
Or when we weren't even paid for new hire training, and had to pay for our own uniforms and Jeps?
Or when they would call on your day off and if you or your wife answered the phone you were automatically Jr Manned and required to show up?
Or when the flying slowed down so much that pilots were complaining about no open time to pick up, and insisting that the company furlough their brother/sister pilots so they could get more hours, which the company in their self centered ways did not do.
I guess the lack of a contract prevented the company from furloughing out of seniority order so they wouldn't have the excuse that it would be expensive to downgrade the more senior folks to the Bro while laying off the Jr ones and displacing everybody against their will to the more Jr Domiciles.

Yeah I'd say things have really been going down hill in your 5 years here.

Originally Posted by TheFly

Envoy: The LOWEST paid Wholly Owned.

Another classic example of when a union represents a major and it’s regional. Toothless tiger...

Originally Posted by savedbythevnav

Man, is this conversation still going? I figured I'd be good after a few weeks!