UAL and Jumpseats
10-12-2019, 02:56 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
1. “Union and pilot group”. Funny, I don’t remember the SkyWest or Republic pilots voting on this. So what “pilot group”?
2. Your “union” put out an opinion, that this was a violation of the FARs. Did they actually ask their lawyer or is this their opinion? My guess, since they didn’t say, it’s the latter. They put out an opinion.
3. The right answer for a hiring board is really based upon how you handle yourself in this situation. Hiding in the cockpit and making a gate agent do your dirty work is the wrong answer. Politely going to the pilot involved, looking him/her in the eyes and explaining that you feel you have to follow your union’s guidance for now would be the more appropriate solution and would probably make for a good TMAAT answer to a question. Passengers may not like the news you deliver, but how you deliver it has a huge impact.
2. Your “union” put out an opinion, that this was a violation of the FARs. Did they actually ask their lawyer or is this their opinion? My guess, since they didn’t say, it’s the latter. They put out an opinion.
3. The right answer for a hiring board is really based upon how you handle yourself in this situation. Hiding in the cockpit and making a gate agent do your dirty work is the wrong answer. Politely going to the pilot involved, looking him/her in the eyes and explaining that you feel you have to follow your union’s guidance for now would be the more appropriate solution and would probably make for a good TMAAT answer to a question. Passengers may not like the news you deliver, but how you deliver it has a huge impact.
10-12-2019, 02:58 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by sMFer
Wow, you're a tool. A mighty XJT Captain!!!
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He said that in direct response to a poster who said he was probably a new hire FO and not in a position to make that decision. He simply stated that in fact he IS a captain and therefore can make that decision.
Let me see if I’m hearing this right - Skywest pilots will deny Expressjet pilots their jumpseat, but he’s a tool for responding in kind?
Ok then.
10-12-2019, 05:05 PM
#133
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Originally Posted by CPPfacts
Your student council cancelled our reciprocating agreement. Take it up with them if you have an issue.
I'm sure eventually everyone would get back together and sign kumbaya together over a new jumpseat agreement.
10-12-2019, 05:17 PM
#134
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Originally Posted by Bravix
I didn't see the whole comment thread, but as a SkyWest guy, deny away. I think that's only right if we're actually denying you guys the jumpseat. Honestly I wish that if the groups can't agree they'd all just agree to disagree and cancel their agreements with one another and stop jumpseating on each other. It'd be way simpler and not put crews in this grey area of guessing what they should do. Yeah, it'd suck for those who rely on the jumpseat, but most airlines have commuter policies to protect them.
I'm sure eventually everyone would get back together and sign kumbaya together over a new jumpseat agreement.
I'm sure eventually everyone would get back together and sign kumbaya together over a new jumpseat agreement.
10-12-2019, 06:16 PM
#135
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Grown men and women having a fit over a seat. Cannot believe this is actually happening.
10-12-2019, 06:17 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by dera
Skywest has a commuter policy?
That said, management has (aside from maybe one or two examples I can think of) been pretty understanding when it comes to commuting issues.
Supposedly, they've also given word that they understand that this is may cause some disruptions are willing to look the other way, within reason. Now, is that as good as a commuter policy? Guess it depends on the flight schedule of the outstation you fly out of
10-12-2019, 07:27 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by Bravix
No, it doesn't. You'll note I said "most".
That said, management has (aside from maybe one or two examples I can think of) been pretty understanding when it comes to commuting issues.
Supposedly, they've also given word that they understand that this is may cause some disruptions are willing to look the other way, within reason. Now, is that as good as a commuter policy? Guess it depends on the flight schedule of the outstation you fly out of
That said, management has (aside from maybe one or two examples I can think of) been pretty understanding when it comes to commuting issues.
Supposedly, they've also given word that they understand that this is may cause some disruptions are willing to look the other way, within reason. Now, is that as good as a commuter policy? Guess it depends on the flight schedule of the outstation you fly out of
10-12-2019, 07:33 PM
#138
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
I'm just trying to imagine the first pilot who calls CS because he just got denied a UA jumpseat and can't get to work. I wonder how willing CS will be to 'look the other way'.
10-12-2019, 07:33 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
I'm just trying to imagine the first pilot who calls CS because he just got denied a UA jumpseat and can't get to work. I wonder how willing CS will be to 'look the other way'.
10-12-2019, 07:59 PM
#140
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Originally Posted by Kent
Perhaps the real issue. We don’t own our routes, we provide an amazing service but I worry about how much leverage we have. How much power do we have?
Yes the captain will always get final say. If he wants to go rouge that’s fine, we’ll pass his name on to ALPA and let UAL buy us a ticket and bump someone or just catch the next flight. UAL owns every seat already. Our commuter clause is pretty nice. It won’t interrupt UAL mainline operations. Will Skywest pay UAL to get you to work?
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