After 10+ years at Skywest I learned two things.

1. Don’t trust the lifers.

And

2. Don’t trust the SAPA exec board.

 

So it sounds like, Delta drew the line at wholly owned and United drew it at exclusive partner. Overall though they both are dividing their regionals by a determined level of commitment to flying with only UA or DL respectively.

Pinnacle, Mesaba and Colgan all had different agreements with either Delta or United even though all 3 were owned by Pinnacle Corp.

This all sounds like it’s been going on in the industry for a long time.

 

Sounds like SAPA (your “union”) is misleading you.

 

Let me ask you this, on a hiring board would you hire a pilot who unilaterally goes against his Union and pilot group? Are those the type of people United likes to hire? What do you think that pilot is going to do when times get tough at United, stick with the pilot group or do what is in his/her own interest?

That is why your threat (and what others have insinuated) are so funny. You would never hire somebody who has went against their own pilot group in the past.

 

Got an email from the director of flight ops at midnight, we will be subject to certificate action if we do not comply with the order......... I'm not happy about this at all, I had every intention of ignoring this BS but now I can't.

 

I’m guessing you wouldn’t need to bring a lawyer with you to the interview because you simply would never be called for one.

This is all hypothetical....... I’m not saying this could or couldn’t happen.

Just imagine sitting across from a UAL interview Capt or FO and realizing you had kicked them off the JS. How about they were just kicked off the JS by a different SkyWest or Republic pilot. What do you think is going through their head during that interview. Do you think they might be a tad bit distracted thinking about getting denied the JS and here is a pilot from the same group that just declared war on UAL pilots.

I don’t know for sure but I would hate to be in a position where a UAL pilot was treated poorly and he controlled my future..... he/she doesn’t need to give you a reason for thanks but no thanks.

The poor decisions of a few among your pilot group has the potential to do a lot more harm than good. Something to think about anyway.

 

You never answered my question. Would you hire a pilot who knowingly went against their Union and pilot group? Are those the values United looks for in an applicant? You sound like you went straight from the Lear Jet to the majors and are oblivious of what being a Regional pilot is all about and what it is like being part of a collective Union. Understandable for a Part 135 pilot

 

Just read an Email from the director of flight ops, were are subject to certificate action if we don't comply. I had every intention of letting anybody ride, this is total BS

 

Maybe we should stop worrying about our careers and try to not be so spineless. Not getting hired at United because I followed my FOM? Okay. What will happen when I get to United and go against what UALPA says? Let the beatings begin. Go against UALPA and you’ll find yourself on a list. Why should it be any different with SAPA?

 

Put another way; UALPA says don't pick up any open time trips since we're in contract negotiations. How would you treat an FO who needed extra cash to pay off his student loans so he went against the union and picked up a double time trip? Now put an FO who followed the directions of the student council and followed the FOM while supporting his captain about who is threatening career progression the jumpseat?
Which one would catch your attention more?