disillusioned

I remember during the pay vote that they were saying that the company and SAPA would meet yearly and could raise year 1 pay without modifying the rest of the contract.

If you read section 8, at first it seems to give the company and SAPA carte blanche for first year pay, but then later it seems to limit it to $36.50 and it has to be done prior to mid 2018. Just like the rest of our "contract" Full of vague language that is open to interpretation that always seems to fall in favor of the company.

On a side note, it is pretty hard to read the pay proposal now and see how they have manipulated the loose language regarding MRS. There were some of us who could see that it wasn't going to do anything, but pretty disheartening to look back now and see how there was nothing in there that would help reserve levels. But it was sold to us that the company would have this big financial penalty if they didn't staff each domicile properly.

Is offline

Until the lifers stop apologizing for the company and get ****ed off when it starts effecting them nothing will change. I flew with a guy last night and had to listen to all the reasons our PBS is ok but it does the job. That's total crap. I found another loophole and he was just trying to cover for the company and I don't get why. They would not help him out. We all know about the intimidation tactics for sick calls now

WesternSkies

Are there any financial penalties if they don't meet MRS?

disillusioned

I'm not saying that higher first year wages are a problem. I don't think that new pilots should have to make $22 for their first year just because I did. I think it is great that you can finally make more than a guy working at McDonalds on your first year pay.

The problem I am referring to is that the company has no need to negotiate any QOL items for it's existing pilot group. Everyone acts like as long as we are putting butts in the classroom, that everything is awesome. But for those of us that see we are losing 25-30 FO's each month (along with the 20-25 CA), we understand that we are just putting a band-aid on an arterial wound. It doesn't matter that we hire 70 people when we have 50% reserve coverage on the 175 but zero reserves (yes not 1 reserve line in 4 of our domiciles) and we lose 50 pilots to attrition per month.

It's a sad fact, but apparently to get any gains here we need to give up something. Even if it is a win/win. So when I see us give up the ability to see some gains, when the company knows it will need to raise pay to be competitive, it feels like those of us that have put some years in here should see a little something as well. But it seems like I am in the minority that feels we should be treated and compensated like professionals. And that since our seniority is really all we have in this industry, it should be respected above all else.

disillusioned

An update from SAPA.... That is funny!!! Maybe it was on one of the conference calls since that is the only communication we get from SAPA anymore. BH is pretty good about scheduling stuff but his updates always just make me mad. "Yeah sorry that the schedules suck, but we had a bunch of flying added last minute that made us increase deadheads and 3+ hour sits in our domiciles."

If they are below MRS, then all Open Time will be with the extra 15% and 30% within the time windows. So basically, the company can save money with less reserve staff, post open time trips 2 weeks out and reliability goes up because we now staffed that flying for an extra 15% instead of paying time and a half. RP tried to warn everyone on the forums that it wouldn't help reserve staffing. Again, when you have your EB that hasn't had to bid a line using PBS for 6 + years or dealt with reserve shenanigans, you get things like this sold to you as a win.

WhistleBlwr

So what's up with these intimidation emails about reliability?
Pack our schedules, don't let us drop trips then wonder why people call in?
Do any other places have these tactics or is this more "industry leading" from the "employer of choice"?


"Our reliability tracking system has identified you as having 5 or more absences within the last 12 months. Please review SP 3006.3 (Pilot Reliability Program) and construct a plan to prevent unnecessary absences. Our airline’s reliability and performance are reliant on a safe, healthy, and reliable work force.
If you are in need of assistance, please contact with your Chief Pilot. Often, Employee Assistant Programs (EAP), medical leaves (FMLA) or personal LOA’s are available to accommodate people in need. To apply for a Leave of Absence, go to: SWOL>My Stuff > Leave of Absence > New LOA Request Form.

Sincerely,

**Chief Administration Office**"

Is offline

It's really starting to get old. What do they expect with zero reserves. I have got that email twice and ignored it both times. I feel the FAA will get wind of their tactic soon.

disillusioned

Even if they do, it will end up just like the Econ with the slow speed events. They tell us to fly slow to optimize block, make up some BS credit thing to financial penalize us if we don't fly block, then act surprised when their Econ speeds cause stalls. Take no responsibility but surprisingly enough, when we get rid of the Econ there are no more slow speed events. I'm not saying the pilots shouldn't have just flown the plane, but the Econ contributed and SGU just acts like it had nothing to do with it.

Same thing with this. Some people will be pressured to fly because they are worried about getting called by their CP. But if something happens because someone feels scared and won't call in, SGU will pretend it had nothing to do with them intimidating those that call in. If you are tired or need family time, just call in. These emails are just a scare tactic and that is all they are.

Once they cancel a couple flights because we are burned out, they may stop trying to save the world by picking up flying we don't have the staff to do.

snackysmores

What are they gonna do, fire a pilot for calling in sick? Make the staffing problem worse and get the FAA's attention. Smart.

word302

They're just preying on the weak. If they can get a few idiots to fly who otherwise would not, mission accomplished.