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Old 02-15-2016 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ordell
For those curious, Mitsubishi has restarted test flights of the MRJ after halting them in December. Initial tests found the wingbox structure could not handle the 150% ultimate load test. Have to say, the takeoff and landing looked smooth as glass. And boy is she quiet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOQHTuC23c

One story said the second and third test plane are out of the hangar and will be flying soon. Mitsubishi plans to have four planes in Moses Lake, WA by September for testing with Boeing's help.

So with 100 orders and an option for 100 more, is SkyWest looking to replace planes or expand its fleet with a third variant?
It will never be flown here. MT and others have said it was to get the other manufacturers to play ball.
Old 02-15-2016 | 01:10 PM
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Is that even legal?
Old 02-15-2016 | 01:33 PM
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Is that even legal?
Yes it is. You think the airlines don't play Boeing and Airbus to get the best deal? The MRJ is even over weight in regards to scope so I really don't know who they are planning on purchasing them.
Old 02-15-2016 | 01:54 PM
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Yes it is. You think the airlines don't play Boeing and Airbus to get the best deal? The MRJ is even over weight in regards to scope so I really don't know who they are planning on purchasing them.
Overweight? You do know that there are currently two versions... right? MRJ70 and MRJ90. Each version has a STD, ER, and LR.
Old 02-15-2016 | 02:38 PM
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Overweight? You do know that there are currently two versions... right? MRJ70 and MRJ90. Each version has a STD, ER, and LR.
They are over max gross takeoff, but it doesn't really matter they will never fly here.
Old 02-15-2016 | 02:39 PM
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Overweight? You do know that there are currently two versions... right? MRJ70 and MRJ90. Each version has a STD, ER, and LR.
SkyWest's orders are for the 90, which is over 86,000 lbs. Presumably these could be converted to 70s. SkyWest also has E175 E2s on order. These are all supposed to be over 86K. Alaska's scope allows this, but I don't think anyone else does.
Old 02-15-2016 | 03:23 PM
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The MRJ 70 with the geared engine is likely to carry similar CASM to the CRJ 700 that it would replace. United and Delta have room for 204 combined 70 seat RJs under the SCOPE clause. At some point the CRJ700s and E175 will need to be replaced and the E170 will not be made in a geared engine variant.

*i would have to verify that the 70 seat RJs don't have a lower MTOW requirement under SCOPE.

The 70 seat variant isn't likely to be delivered for 3 to 5 years down the road... By that time some of these 700s will be 20 years old.

http://www.flythemrj.com/design/
Old 02-15-2016 | 03:36 PM
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The MRJ 70 with the geared engine is likely to carry similar CASM to the CRJ 700 that it would replace. United and Delta have room for 204 combined 70 seat RJs under the SCOPE clause. At some point the CRJ700s and E175 will need to be replaced and the E170 will not be made in a geared engine variant.

*i would have to verify that the 70 seat RJs don't have a lower MTOW requirement under SCOPE.

The 70 seat variant isn't likely to be delivered for 3 to 5 years down the road... By that time some of these 700s will be 20 years old.

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Old 02-15-2016 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Is offline
Yes it is. You think the airlines don't play Boeing and Airbus to get the best deal? The MRJ is even over weight in regards to scope so I really don't know who they are planning on purchasing them.
I'm not that naive, I know the big two play off each other. But we're talking placing an order of 100, which undoubtedly played a role in Mitsubishi going ahead with the project.

They don't have a lot of orders yet. It'll probably help when they finally get a plane to Farnborough to show it off. But here is where it stands, according to Wiki:

Airline Firm orders Options
All Nippon Airways 15 10
Trans States Holdings 50 50
SkyWest, Inc. 100 100
Eastern Air Lines 20 20* *Purchase rights (MoU)
Air Mandalay 6 4
Japan Airlines 32
Total 223 184

So SkyWest has placed far and away the biggest order.
Old 02-15-2016 | 04:12 PM
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I don't think the MRJ will ever fly here. Haven't heard anything official, but there isn't any reason not to put any new contracts we get with the ERJ.

Take a look at our Board of Directors and what other positions those guys hold in the aviation industry. You might find your answer there.
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