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07-22-2014 | 07:50 PM
#5951
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Not to mention the immoral and unethical whipsaw business model that JA perpetuates just so he doesn't have to compensate them as well in order to make a little more money. Yeah, that's a company to be proud of.
You keep talking about ethics. Regional Elite and DGS were both owned by Delta and competed for the same RFPs from Delta. Guess which one won RFPs from Delta and is still around. Is that Ethical? I think some bean counters will tell you it's just Business.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Not to mention the immoral and unethical whipsaw business model that JA perpetuates just so he doesn't have to compensate them as well in order to make a little more money. Yeah, that's a company to be proud of.
You keep talking about ethics. Regional Elite and DGS were both owned by Delta and competed for the same RFPs from Delta. Guess which one won RFPs from Delta and is still around. Is that Ethical? I think some bean counters will tell you it's just Business.
07-22-2014 | 09:44 PM
#5952
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Good Grief. How clueless can you possibly be??? The entire regional industry is based on whipsaw as it's fundamental premise...otherwise it wouldn't exist. There's no possible way to win the game, the only way to get out from under it is to GTFO. Not major airline material? Then I'd suggest truck driving school before a regional career...
Go to Vegas much? Bet against the house? How's that worked out for you...
07-23-2014 | 09:33 AM
#5953
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
Not to mention the immoral and unethical whipsaw business model that JA perpetuates just so he doesn't have to compensate them as well in order to make a little more money. Yeah, that's a company to be proud of.
Good Grief. How clueless can you possibly be??? The entire regional industry is based on whipsaw as it's fundamental premise...otherwise it wouldn't exist. There's no possible way to win the game, the only way to get out from under it is to GTFO. Not major airline material? Then I'd suggest truck driving school before a regional career...
Go to Vegas much? Bet against the house? How's that worked out for you...
Originally Posted by Nevets
Not to mention the immoral and unethical whipsaw business model that JA perpetuates just so he doesn't have to compensate them as well in order to make a little more money. Yeah, that's a company to be proud of.
Good Grief. How clueless can you possibly be??? The entire regional industry is based on whipsaw as it's fundamental premise...otherwise it wouldn't exist. There's no possible way to win the game, the only way to get out from under it is to GTFO. Not major airline material? Then I'd suggest truck driving school before a regional career...
Go to Vegas much? Bet against the house? How's that worked out for you...
07-23-2014 | 02:38 PM
#5954
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And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
07-23-2014 | 03:54 PM
#5955
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From: Another RJ FO
And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
Like people have said above, it's business. The XJT side is hemorrhaging money. It wouldn't be good for a corporation to merge the two sides until the financial situation is stabilized. You can call that immoral but it's true.
07-23-2014 | 06:39 PM
#5957
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
It's business. It has nothing to do with morality.
Originally Posted by Nevets
And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
It's business. It has nothing to do with morality.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
Your pilots seem to hate us a lot more than anyone at SKW hates you. I'm not really sure how the two pilot groups are pitted against each other. It's more like XJT pilots think you're pitted against SKW and SKW pilots don't care.
Like people have said above, it's business. The XJT side is hemorrhaging money. It wouldn't be good for a corporation to merge the two sides until the financial situation is stabilized. You can call that immoral but it's true.
Originally Posted by Nevets
And where did I say that regionals are not whipsawed against each other? Not only are we whipsawed against other regional airline companies, our own CEO has devised a way to whipsaw us a second time by pitting his own employees against each other. Not even mainline has stooped that low, at least not in recent decades. He took an immoral whipsaw business model from mainline management and is using it again within his own holding company. Double immoral!
Your pilots seem to hate us a lot more than anyone at SKW hates you. I'm not really sure how the two pilot groups are pitted against each other. It's more like XJT pilots think you're pitted against SKW and SKW pilots don't care.
Like people have said above, it's business. The XJT side is hemorrhaging money. It wouldn't be good for a corporation to merge the two sides until the financial situation is stabilized. You can call that immoral but it's true.
Like I've said in other posts, you don't know what you don't know and your post proves my point. And just because it's business doesn't mean it's not immoral to pit your employees agains each other just to make a bit more money off their backs. He has never had the intention merge us. It's not in his nature to have all employees pulling in the same direction, on the same team, with common interests. He rather just watch us compete against each other on our compensation. That's just not right regardless of whatever corporate excuses you make for him. Stockholm syndrome much?
By the way, all the synergy savings they touted when buying xjt and merging it with ASA are doubly true for a merger of all 3 airlines. But our CEO prefers the immoral business model over saving that money.
07-23-2014 | 06:46 PM
#5958
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Hey, anybody know the deal with SKW's offsite interviews, for example at the various career fairs? Do you still eventually have to go out to SLC for the sim eval, CRM exercise, etc.?
Just wondering what the difference between the two interview processes are? Seems like it would be advantageous to have an abbreviated interview off-site, at a career fair and be able to skip the sim eval, etc. (not that I'm advocating this)
Just wondering what the difference between the two interview processes are? Seems like it would be advantageous to have an abbreviated interview off-site, at a career fair and be able to skip the sim eval, etc. (not that I'm advocating this)
07-23-2014 | 09:27 PM
#5959
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From: Supreme Allied Commander
They are not mutually exclusive. There are many immoral business models. This is a real simple one to spot. Some others are more complicated, covert and insidious.
If Skywest pilots don't know we are pitted against each other by our CEO then they are either in denial or naive. The Skywest compensation and work rules have been used against the xjt pilots for over 6 years now! That is a fact!
Like I've said in other posts, you don't know what you don't know and your post proves my point. And just because it's business doesn't mean it's not immoral to pit your employees agains each other just to make a bit more money off their backs. He has never had the intention merge us. It's not in his nature to have all employees pulling in the same direction, on the same team, with common interests. He rather just watch us compete against each other on our compensation. That's just not right regardless of whatever corporate excuses you make for him. Stockholm syndrome much?
By the way, all the synergy savings they touted when buying xjt and merging it with ASA are doubly true for a merger of all 3 airlines. But our CEO prefers the immoral business model over saving that money.
If Skywest pilots don't know we are pitted against each other by our CEO then they are either in denial or naive. The Skywest compensation and work rules have been used against the xjt pilots for over 6 years now! That is a fact!
Like I've said in other posts, you don't know what you don't know and your post proves my point. And just because it's business doesn't mean it's not immoral to pit your employees agains each other just to make a bit more money off their backs. He has never had the intention merge us. It's not in his nature to have all employees pulling in the same direction, on the same team, with common interests. He rather just watch us compete against each other on our compensation. That's just not right regardless of whatever corporate excuses you make for him. Stockholm syndrome much?
By the way, all the synergy savings they touted when buying xjt and merging it with ASA are doubly true for a merger of all 3 airlines. But our CEO prefers the immoral business model over saving that money.
Our only hope is to unionize to one list. Then maybe, hopefully, there will be incentive for management to move SKW Inc. hdq out of Jerry's hometown tax haven to ATL. Then synergies shall go forth, performance shall skyrocket, money shall be saved, XJ pilot culture will shedeth the "burn it down mentality", and lo, shall bud a flowering kumbaya relationship with SKW.
To usher in our new glorious reign, we pilots will get the joy of infighting with each other about pay, healthcare, 401k, work-rules, PBS, pilot integration, and the imminent mass fleet reduction.
Come on SkyWest pilots, the solution to XJ's problems is us! We hold the keys to THEIR future!
Last edited by saturn; 07-23-2014 at 09:40 PM.
07-23-2014 | 10:01 PM
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They are not mutually exclusive. There are many immoral business models. This is a real simple one to spot. Some others are more complicated, covert and insidious.
If Skywest pilots don't know we are pitted against each other by our CEO then they are either in denial or naive. The Skywest compensation and work rules have been used against the xjt pilots for over 6 years now! That is a fact!
Like I've said in other posts, you don't know what you don't know and your post proves my point. And just because it's business doesn't mean it's not immoral to pit your employees agains each other just to make a bit more money off their backs. He has never had the intention merge us. It's not in his nature to have all employees pulling in the same direction, on the same team, with common interests. He rather just watch us compete against each other on our compensation. That's just not right regardless of whatever corporate excuses you make for him. Stockholm syndrome much?
By the way, all the synergy savings they touted when buying xjt and merging it with ASA are doubly true for a merger of all 3 airlines. But our CEO prefers the immoral business model over saving that money.
If Skywest pilots don't know we are pitted against each other by our CEO then they are either in denial or naive. The Skywest compensation and work rules have been used against the xjt pilots for over 6 years now! That is a fact!
Like I've said in other posts, you don't know what you don't know and your post proves my point. And just because it's business doesn't mean it's not immoral to pit your employees agains each other just to make a bit more money off their backs. He has never had the intention merge us. It's not in his nature to have all employees pulling in the same direction, on the same team, with common interests. He rather just watch us compete against each other on our compensation. That's just not right regardless of whatever corporate excuses you make for him. Stockholm syndrome much?
By the way, all the synergy savings they touted when buying xjt and merging it with ASA are doubly true for a merger of all 3 airlines. But our CEO prefers the immoral business model over saving that money.
We get it, you HATE SkyWest. But lets not get it twisted here. The only one who pits employee groups against employee groups is YOU. You just float around in your own world of delusional 'facts' that you don't know whats up from down any longer. You come here and spew your hate for not only SKW but for the legacy ASQ as well. It's gotten really old. Face it. The game is over for you XJT guys... you played hardball and you lost. Your toxic attitudes and sense of entitlement has been a pure embarrassment not only to yourself, but all the actual hard working employees over at XJT who go to work every day and don't play the blame game.
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