kfahmi

That's a great question and I don't think anyone knows the answer. I just did 4 SKW jumpseat rides today (might as well see how the real world works before I go to Sims) and flew with some very senior guys. Bottom line: nobody knows.

The general thought is that the ERJ/SFO will wind up going very senior as the West Coast Brasilia guys all transition into it – b/c they're not going to want to go to ORD.

The one thing everyone agreed on today (4 different crews) is that with the increase of 175 flying in SFO, nobody's really sure what's going to happen to the SFO-based United 700s.

Of course, take that rumor as being worth what you paid for it ;-)

kfahmi

Thanks, much appreciated! Given my sim delay, I most likely won't be done with IOE till mid-January....just in time for a nice balmy winter in Chicago ;-)

Nevets

And that's the other excuse. But to answer your question, let's say that dues would be 2%. APC says you have 3,360 pilots. If we assume an average of $50,000 of income per pilot, then the annual dues revenue would be $3,360,000. Or you could charge $100/mo for captains and $50/mo for FOs and still come up with over $3M. You could do it a variety of ways and it would be a good chunk of change to start with in order to negotiate a real contract. Hell, if you were to go independent, it might be the start of a regional pilots association. I know I would be the first to get behind you guys and vote out ALPA for your union! Also, whatever you pay in dues is tax deductible. Anyway, food for thought.

kfahmi

...which would be just fine with me. I mean, I like deep-dish pizza and all, but hey...I'm a Californian. It gets colder than +10C, or the thunderstorm tops go above FL200, and we just want to stay in bed instead of go fly

Rumor has it that we can request IOE somewhere other than our assigned base. I figure I'll have enough on my plate keeping up with the airplane, so...gonna request IOE in SFO, since I can pretty much recite every West Coast IFR route from memory. One less thing to worry about...

Squallrider

Personally I don't think the 175 will go too senior in SFO, most ppl aren't going to it because they are close to upgrade and or leaving and don't want a training Event. The bro ppl will of course be forced
To go somewhere and I would think the CRJ is the better choice, many more trips on the CRJ and the option to pick up stuff in lax. 175 so far has contracted to be 40 planes between what will be three bases (unless Den doesn't open which is a rumor due to a/c performance) it won't have that many trips out of SFO. Delta benefits are a big deal (right now 175 PPl can't even jumpseat on delta) because to go international business is a lot cheaper, if that doesn't matter to you and you don't commute on delta then it's not a big deal.

amcnd

^the DEN 175 aircraft performance is all a big misunderstanding ... Not true..

rcfd13

People throw around the word tax deductible a lot. In 15 years of working I've never once made enough money to itemize. I highly doubt most FOs do. Nothing is tax deductible for me. That would be a 2% non tax deductible pay cut for me for a bunch of "what ifs" and nothing certain when I make hardly anything already.

Nevets

Yet another excuse. And you conveniently ignore that fact that I provided the math to come up with a few million dollars you asked for with the 2% dues rate your mentioned.

Anyway, itemizing has nothing to do with what you make. If you have enough deductions that equal more than the standard deduction, then you can itemize. If you have a mortgage, more than likely you would qualify. Also, you keep focusing on FOs. The majority of pilots are captains. And many FOs are part of dual income families so they may actually have a mortgage.

As for what ifs, I specifically pointed out a real life example of the sfo pilots on reserve that would definitely would've been handled differently if the company actually had to follow your work rules. Imagine all the small things they don't comply with? Those are not what ifs!

What new excuse will you come up with now?

Seminole00

That's 483 CRJ pilots per sim. If the ERJ sim has the same ratio that's almost 1000 pilots or 500 crews. 5 crews per plane will put the estimation at 100 planes.

rcfd13

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but don't we usually operate at around 10 crews per airplane? If we estimate 500 crews on the E175 based on having a 2nd sim that would make the number about 50 airplanes. Only 10 more than we currently have a contract for. Call me a pessimist but 50-60 airplanes (40 UAL + 10-20 for another carrier) seems more realistic than thinking we're about to get a contract for 100 E175s.