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Old 01-23-2018 | 09:11 AM
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Did ya know reps are voting on whether or not to allow the pilot group to vote on the pay package. NOT if they *agree* with the package.

The more you know brah. The more YOU know.
Old 01-23-2018 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Did ya know reps are voting on whether or not to allow the pilot group to vote on the pay package. NOT if they *agree* with the package.

The more you know brah. The more YOU know.
SO you don't think the emails from RJ didn't try to sell the TA?

The info and emails from management definitely tried to sell it!
Old 01-23-2018 | 09:22 AM
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Is RJ or mgmt running for VP?
Nope.

K.C. is out to lunch thinking his bid-for-days-off reserve changes help this pilot group. The bad idea wasn’t even implemented well.
Old 01-23-2018 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Is RJ or mgmt running for VP?
Nope.

K.C. is out to lunch thinking his bid-for-days-off reserve changes help this pilot group. The bad idea wasn’t even implemented well.
Im saying you are correct in that the reps wanted the pilot group to have a vote even though not all of them were for the TA.

RJ sold it to the pilot group. The only person from SAPA that we actually heard from was RJ. And he was all for it! I woukld like our reps to be able to give their point of view when voting for something and not just the presidents point of view.
Old 01-23-2018 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by popNfresh
Im saying you are correct in that the reps wanted the pilot group to have a vote even though not all of them were for the TA.

RJ sold it to the pilot group. The only person from SAPA that we actually heard from was RJ. And he was all for it! I woukld like our reps to be able to give their point of view when voting for something and not just the presidents point of view.
Yes, I'd say most folks perceived it as an extreme hard sell by SAPA. Not all reps were in for it or vocal about it but RJ and AA were super big proponents.

The real tragedy though that people believe that QoL could be handled outside a pay vote. Yes, it is a lot more complicated but thinking to get any meaningful improvements - stuff that actually cost money rather than some cosmetics - would come out side of a pay vote is completely delusional.

Oh, and what about the growth? The rumors that conveniently popped up about the pay vote called for all this growth and people were secretly hoping for DFW, PHX and maybe something more west... well, not quite.
Old 01-23-2018 | 09:52 AM
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Who are you all voting for VP? Anyone know them personally outside of the bios written.
Old 01-23-2018 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nordopilot
Who are you all voting for VP? Anyone know them personally outside of the bios written.
I'm planning to vote for JH. I have met him, talked with him on some issues, and like that he communnicates via multiple methods. Just my $.02 worth...
Old 01-23-2018 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by futurav8r
I'm planning to vote for JH. I have met him, talked with him on some issues, and like that he communnicates via multiple methods. Just my $.02 worth...
Same.
Haven’t talked to him but appreciated his willingness to communicate with the pilot group (old SAPA forums) when the rest of SAPA was on a conference call with itself.

Whether that is a good reason or not...bios are always going to be “white & vanilla “ anyway.
Old 01-23-2018 | 01:44 PM
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Just to hop on the RJ topic. No idea how that guy continues to get voted in, but he isn't my rep so I have no say.

Talked to him once, nothing he said made me feel like he was on my side. Sounded entirely like a management shill and everything he said was in support of company and condescending to me. I just ask my chief questions now. He's more helpful and honest, even though he's actually management...
Old 01-23-2018 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bravix
Just to hop on the RJ topic. No idea how that guy continues to get voted in, but he isn't my rep so I have no say.

Talked to him once, nothing he said made me feel like he was on my side. Sounded entirely like a management shill and everything he said was in support of company and condescending to me. I just ask my chief questions now. He's more helpful and honest, even though he's actually management...
He was a very pro alpa supporter in the past. Thats what got him in... now that he is more in the “know” he understands the limits and has backed off the alpa stance... he wont get voted back in for we dont get a early pay match to Republic/Endeavor..
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