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Old 05-19-2016 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSkywest
In May I bid the same way and got the month of standups I requested. A large % of the trips in Chicago are standups. The "Results Report" showed that many of the standup were available when it came down to me but I guess it could not build a line of 88 hours with those remaining standup, locals, and 2 days.

I emailed guys on reserve to see if anyone was interested in trading their reserve lines for my line and immediately got 3 guys who wanted to do that. Scheduling told me that they are not allowed to swap entire lines however.

I appreciate the strategy on breaking up the lines. Any other suggestions would be welcome.
Past performance doesn't guarantee future results. You got what you wanted one month but not the next; people above you bid differently each month. The pairings are so dynamic in Chicago in the last year very few of my bids look similar. At 84% your bid results are going to be heavily dependent on how people senior to you bid. It's pretty much a crap shoot for you at this point. (It will get better, quickly I might add). Make sure you can GUARANTEE you'll have a line completed by layer seven. For you that means EVERY pairing in the package. If your layer 7 had 100% of the pairings you likely would have kept a lot of those standups.
Old 05-19-2016 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSkywest
In May I bid the same way and got the month of standups I requested. A large % of the trips in Chicago are standups. The "Results Report" showed that many of the standup were available when it came down to me but I guess it could not build a line of 88 hours with those remaining standup, locals, and 2 days.

I emailed guys on reserve to see if anyone was interested in trading their reserve lines for my line and immediately got 3 guys who wanted to do that. Scheduling told me that they are not allowed to swap entire lines however.

I appreciate the strategy on breaking up the lines. Any other suggestions would be welcome.
In a large base, especially with low seniority, basing your expectations on a previous bid is a good way to end up disappointed. I always say bid for your dreams in the first couple layers, tone it down to reality by layer 7.
Old 05-19-2016 | 11:01 AM
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This month was a first for me. My reason report shows hundreds of "Error: block_month violation" and I ended up with my first PN in over 4 years. I guess it couldn't complete in a higher layer with the good trips I was bidding because I'm flying too much... I'm always very careful about my bid and checking report/release times and making sure everything I'm bidding in the top layers works out. I never took into account something like a block time per month violation.
Old 05-19-2016 | 11:32 AM
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Maybe I missed it, but will SEA remain a CRJ base, or will it be all ERJ like PDX?
Old 05-19-2016 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by alaskadrifter
Maybe I missed it, but will SEA remain a CRJ base, or will it be all ERJ like PDX?
Rumor has it all the delta 175s are going there.
Old 05-19-2016 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSkywest
In May I bid the same way and got the month of standups I requested.
I've learned the hard way that your bid results in one month usually have ZERO correlation to your bid results the next month.

Until you reach about 15% seniority, bid what you want in the first couple layers, but after that, bid defensively.

Ask yourself:

"What are the trips that I don't want, but could tolerate?"

"What are the trips that I can easily split up into locals, 2 days, and 3 days to make them easier to trade away?"

Then bid for these trips in your lower layers.

Another possibility, which I have used with some success, is this:

In your first 2 layers, put all the trips you want. But then also waive all the restrictive line properties. For example, keep the max work block at 6. Set the default days off between work blocks to 1 (instead of the default of 2.) Allow pairing-pairing on the same day (useful if you are bidding standups and locals or 2-days). Waive the max block in 7.

In other words, in the first 2 layers, remove all of the restrictions in PBS, so that you have a better chance of getting what you want.

Then in layer 3, do "Clear Award/Partial Lines." This reinstates all of the default PBS restrictions and clears your entire bid. In layers 3 and 4, put the same trips you put into 1 and 2, but don't waive the restrictions as you did in layers 1 and 2. In layers 5, 6, and 7, make sure your bid includes more and more trips in every layer (you should be nearly at 100% by Layer 7. I only ever use layer 7 to put in days off that I really want to have.)

The reason this can work is:

• By relaxing all the restrictions in Layers 1 and 2, you give yourself a better chance of getting the trips you want. You're willing to accept certain negatives (i.e. only 1 day off between work blocks, and a max work block of 6, which gives you the possibility of 5 standups in a row, followed by one day off, followed by 5 standups) if it means the software can complete your line. By making it easier for PBS to build your line, you're helping your chances.

•*By doing Clear Award/Partial Lines in Layer 3, you're un-waiving all of those restrictions. The reason here is that if you just add in a bunch of trips you don't want to layers 3-7, and you don't use Clear Award/Partial Lines, all of those waivers you put in Layers 1/2 will carry down to Layers 3-7. If you do this, you're just asking for a 6-day work block followed by a 31-hour break in Williston, followed by a 6-day work block, because you've told PBS that you'll accept 6 day workblocks, 1 day off between blocks, and a rest outside of base in lieu of the usual in-base 30-hours-off requirement.

Anyhow, this strategy helped me turn what I figured was going to be a completely disastrous June bid into a bid that's only half terrible. And I am far more senior to you...yet I still bid very defensively. Only when you're in the top 15% or so, can you start really getting what you want.

Finally, never, ever put TLCR in Layer 7. And when you're setting your TLCR, ensure that by Layer 6, the max TLCR value is well above the default average line value for your base. If the line value default is 88, ensure you're at least up to 98 or so by Layer 6. And at your seniority level, don't even bother setting TLCR below the average line value...it's not gonna do anything for you.
Old 05-19-2016 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
I've learned the hard way that your bid results in one month usually have ZERO correlation to your bid results the next month.

And at your seniority level, don't even bother setting TLCR below the average line value...it's not gonna do anything for you.
These specific points. I bid just under 20% in minny this month (with zero reserves) and got awarded 90 hours. Previous months I had only only been awarded 76 hours because I bid for max days off. I still did that this time but because they're hurting I felt the burn as well.
Old 05-19-2016 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
I've learned the hard way that your bid results in one month usually have ZERO correlation to your bid results the next month.

Until you reach about 15% seniority, bid what you want in the first couple layers, but after that, bid defensively.

Ask yourself:

"What are the trips that I don't want, but could tolerate?"

"What are the trips that I can easily split up into locals, 2 days, and 3 days to make them easier to trade away?"

Then bid for these trips in your lower layers.

Another possibility, which I have used with some success, is this:

In your first 2 layers, put all the trips you want. But then also waive all the restrictive line properties. For example, keep the max work block at 6. Set the default days off between work blocks to 1 (instead of the default of 2.) Allow pairing-pairing on the same day (useful if you are bidding standups and locals or 2-days). Waive the max block in 7.

In other words, in the first 2 layers, remove all of the restrictions in PBS, so that you have a better chance of getting what you want.

Then in layer 3, do "Clear Award/Partial Lines." This reinstates all of the default PBS restrictions and clears your entire bid. In layers 3 and 4, put the same trips you put into 1 and 2, but don't waive the restrictions as you did in layers 1 and 2. In layers 5, 6, and 7, make sure your bid includes more and more trips in every layer (you should be nearly at 100% by Layer 7. I only ever use layer 7 to put in days off that I really want to have.)

The reason this can work is:

• By relaxing all the restrictions in Layers 1 and 2, you give yourself a better chance of getting the trips you want. You're willing to accept certain negatives (i.e. only 1 day off between work blocks, and a max work block of 6, which gives you the possibility of 5 standups in a row, followed by one day off, followed by 5 standups) if it means the software can complete your line. By making it easier for PBS to build your line, you're helping your chances.

•*By doing Clear Award/Partial Lines in Layer 3, you're un-waiving all of those restrictions. The reason here is that if you just add in a bunch of trips you don't want to layers 3-7, and you don't use Clear Award/Partial Lines, all of those waivers you put in Layers 1/2 will carry down to Layers 3-7. If you do this, you're just asking for a 6-day work block followed by a 31-hour break in Williston, followed by a 6-day work block, because you've told PBS that you'll accept 6 day workblocks, 1 day off between blocks, and a rest outside of base in lieu of the usual in-base 30-hours-off requirement.

Anyhow, this strategy helped me turn what I figured was going to be a completely disastrous June bid into a bid that's only half terrible. And I am far more senior to you...yet I still bid very defensively. Only when you're in the top 15% or so, can you start really getting what you want.

Finally, never, ever put TLCR in Layer 7. And when you're setting your TLCR, ensure that by Layer 6, the max TLCR value is well above the default average line value for your base. If the line value default is 88, ensure you're at least up to 98 or so by Layer 6. And at your seniority level, don't even bother setting TLCR below the average line value...it's not gonna do anything for you.

This is one of the better strategies I have seen being suggested. Very practical and full of insight of how PBS actually constructs a line.
Old 05-19-2016 | 10:49 PM
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MSP based...new capt at the bottom of the list. I understand my seniority is crap. But 3 4 days and 4 CNed standups. 12 days off. A whopping 74 hours credit. This is BS.
Old 05-20-2016 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tyurchevich
MSP based...new capt at the bottom of the list. I understand my seniority is crap. But 3 4 days and 4 CNed standups. 12 days off. A whopping 74 hours credit. This is BS.
Every thread on MSP on every forum has been talking about this for the last few years. Either you didn't do your research or you knew about it and are complaining anyway..
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