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rickair7777 10-19-2016 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by soakingpilot (Post 2227029)
Well first off 40 x 128 is 1120 and even including perf and quaterly bonuses it doesnt come near what other regionals are offering first year FO's or CA's in terms of compensation via bonus. Further your disqualifying statement of myself having NOT ( your right ) been at other regionals though being just fodder for flame makes an interesting point. For whatever reasons skw may have in fact been the place to hang your hat well things change. These two policies put in place are in my view of course minute attempts to appease a pilot group who is simply under compensated in todays market. Ill reiterate again that they only really help to benefit skw who I think going forward will be the group who is in fact no longer filling classes to the level they want because simply of money for a new hire. They are disguised to look beneficial as if the company cares but the reality is they are just saving themselves and protecting the product they have to offer to the majors going forward.

All regionals are under compensated, that's the whole point.

Most regional (or major) airline pilots don't care about first year pay or sign-on bonuses. That's the company's problem with regard to recruiting. Once on the seniority list, pilots are concerned with long-term compensation and stability.

I suggest you go try a regional that has a big sign-on bonus instead of SKW (just hope to God you don't get stuck there). There's a reason for those bonuses. Enjoy.

Duesenflieger 10-19-2016 07:57 AM

Soakingpilot, you hit the nail on the head with that post.

soakingpilot 10-19-2016 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2227079)
All regionals are under compensated, that's the whole point.

Most regional (or major) airline pilots don't care about first year pay or sign-on bonuses. That's the company's problem with regard to recruiting. Once on the seniority list, pilots are concerned with long-term compensation and stability.

I suggest you go try a regional that has a big sign-on bonus instead of SKW (just hope to God you don't get stuck there). There's a reason for those bonuses. Enjoy.

In fact I'm good with my seniorty already at SKW but do I want what others are getting for me and everyone else but not sure why you Rickair7777 are so against that? Then again you say most regional pilots dont care about first year pay or sign ons ? well as you said yourself "there's a reason for those bonuses"

Next.

WesternSkies 10-19-2016 08:08 AM

No, the time frame does not line up for the "soft-landing" benefit to have an ounce of anything to do with AA WO recent first-year bumps.
Look at the document yourself, that final draft was dated this Spring. Understand the leg work started long before that.

soakingpilot 10-19-2016 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2227099)
No, the time frame does not line up for the "soft-landing" benefit to have an ounce of anything to do with AA WO recent first-year bumps.
Look at the document yourself, that final draft was dated this Spring. Understand the leg work started long before that.

Well both the soft landing or AA's pay bumps were not crafted in a night obviously. From my view company A has a strategy style and company B has another. One will get compensated more and the other less. We should be getting the same as they and people should not be confusing the soft landing as a real benefit. Check my first post as this is the consistent point.
In APC forum style just to really hammer this home "money talks and bull**** walks"

cheerio I'm off to enjoy the day.

RemoveB4Flight 10-19-2016 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by soakingpilot (Post 2227118)
Well both the soft landing or AA's pay bumps were not crafted in a night obviously. From my view company A has a strategy style and company B has another. One will get compensated more and the other less. We should be getting the same as they and people should not be confusing the soft landing as a real benefit. Check my first post as this is the consistent point.
In APC forum style just to really hammer this home "money talks and bull**** walks"

cheerio I'm off to enjoy the day.

I think you should walk. Since you think it's so much better at the AA WO you should go there. In a year and a half (sooner?) when Skywest renegotiates it's contract you'll know if you made a good choice.

soakingpilot 10-19-2016 08:52 AM

Never said it was better at AA if you could find that for me and requote me please. I have only been pointing out what these new policies at skw really are. You have an issue with that ? Ok, but I'm looking for us all at skw to get compensated correctly and not get their streams crossed with these "amazing" benefits for the skw pilot group which is what I was responding too.
But thanks.

Is offline 10-19-2016 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2227138)
I think you should walk. Since you think it's so much better at the AA WO you should go there. In a year and a half (sooner?) when Skywest renegotiates it's contract you'll know if you made a good choice.

If they wait that long it will be to late. They are already struggling to fill classes and keep up with attrition. United has not really been hiring for the last 5 months and now they are ramping back up so you can expect twice as many pilots leaving per month next year.

soakingpilot 10-19-2016 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2227160)
If they wait that long it will be to late. They are already struggling to fill classes and keep up with attrition. United has not really been hiring for the last 5 months and now they are ramping back up so you can expect twice as many pilots leaving per month next year.

If true then now is the time to be sweetening the pot. Unlike CS its time to be proactive not reactionary for the time that we are all here which hopefully is relatively short.

rmcbear08 10-19-2016 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2227160)
United has not really been hiring for the last 5 months and now they are ramping back up so you can expect twice as many pilots leaving per month next year.

This.

United slowed down due to the relocation of all their training operations to DEN, as well as an expansion of the current facility. By this time next year it will all be up and running. A buddy of mine there says that 700 new pilots isn't an unreasonable number for 2017.


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