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rickair7777 01-15-2017 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by art aviator (Post 2281460)
Morning gents,
Odd question here and a tad off topic. I'm looking at interviewing roughly March - April, I've read this whole thread so I'm relatively up to speed.

I understand most guys are using the luggage works 22 inch suitcase, although the SO is looking at buying myself a very nice suitcase for the birthday, either a Globetrotter or Streamline. Does it have to be all black? Can it be a mix of colors (obviously tasteful dark browns, greens or navy). What issues are non commuters having if the bag is larger than 22 inches? Say 26?
Thanks

Black, all of your luggage accessories need to be black. Some mainline airplanes have room for a 26, but for RJ's 22 is best.

rickair7777 01-15-2017 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by turboflyin (Post 2281565)
Whats going on with the SAPA forum? Was it really being attacked?

How can SAPA expect any support if they can't even maintain a website?

It's not so much "can't"...

But there's supposed to be a new site in the works, I think the leadership just decided to wait for that to be implemented.

disillusioned 01-15-2017 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by turboflyin (Post 2281565)
Whats going on with the SAPA forum? Was it really being attacked?

How can SAPA expect any support if they can't even maintain a website?

No skin in the game anymore but here is my take. You had 3 choices for Pres. but I'll focus on the EB selections.

First you had the current Pres who gave everyone a full list of all his accomplishments. The biggest one being all his work on LOM insurance which most people can't info about and may not get the 25% opt-in to even be implemented. Has been in SAPA since 2008 and EB for the last 4 years. Out of touch with the pilot group (hasn't flown the line and likes to make handshake deals with management), doesn't participate in any "discussions" outside conference calls or 1 on 1 phone calls. I once had to call him for help and he was so condescending and rude that I never bothered looking for help from him again. Openly against un-moderated discussion while hiding behind personal responsibility for slanderous comments on forum (even though it was proven otherwise and other solutions offered)

Second you had the current VP who has shown he was a proponent of open communication and getting feedback from the pilot group. Flies the line once a month to keep in touch with his peers, very active on the forums and his whole election platform was run on holding the company to policies and getting feedback from pilots on new policies. Wanted more formality with SAPA positions and more open communications to the pilot group. Was supported by what seemed like 80% of the SAPA representatives that were tired of how the felt SAPA was being run by the current Pres.

50% of SW pilots decided it wasn't worth their time to even vote and 60% of those that did decided they were okay with moderated communications and a President that likes to get cozy with management. They didn't want someone who would rock the boat or may take a job offer with mainline (Even though that was okay when the former Pres did the same thing just a year ago)

In summary you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate (or vote) for. I was excited for my former co-workers to get a President that was going to fight for them to make things better. Unfortunately, roughly 1,200 pilots decided that they didn't care about communication and a working website that would supply information and tools to help them with their jobs. Apathy has consequences. Instead of asking how SAPA can expect any support if they can't maintain a website, you should be asking how SW pilots can expect any support if 50% can't even take 3 minutes to vote for their representatives. As a side note, the LOM would probably be included with a union and most of the benefits would be included for only 2%. JMO

Duesenflieger 01-15-2017 09:58 AM

I hate to derail the thread, but does anyone have the new gouge for CQ this year?

Duesenflieger 01-15-2017 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by disillusioned (Post 2281702)
No skin in the game anymore but here is my take. You had 3 choices for Pres. but I'll focus on the EB selections.

First you had the current Pres who gave everyone a full list of all his accomplishments. The biggest one being all his work on LOM insurance which most people can't info about and may not get the 25% opt-in to even be implemented. Has been in SAPA since 2008 and EB for the last 4 years. Out of touch with the pilot group (hasn't flown the line and likes to make handshake deals with management), doesn't participate in any "discussions" outside conference calls or 1 on 1 phone calls. I once had to call him for help and he was so condescending and rude that I never bothered looking for help from him again. Openly against un-moderated discussion while hiding behind personal responsibility for slanderous comments on forum (even though it was proven otherwise and other solutions offered)

Second you had the current VP who has shown he was a proponent of open communication and getting feedback from the pilot group. Flies the line once a month to keep in touch with his peers, very active on the forums and his whole election platform was run on holding the company to policies and getting feedback from pilots on new policies. Wanted more formality with SAPA positions and more open communications to the pilot group. Was supported by what seemed like 80% of the SAPA representatives that were tired of how the felt SAPA was being run by the current Pres.

50% of SW pilots decided it wasn't worth their time to even vote and 60% of those that did decided they were okay with moderated communications and a President that likes to get cozy with management. They didn't want someone who would rock the boat or may take a job offer with mainline (Even though that was okay when the former Pres did the same thing just a year ago)

In summary you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate (or vote) for. I was excited for my former co-workers to get a President that was going to fight for them to make things better. Unfortunately, roughly 1,200 pilots decided that they didn't care about communication and a working website that would supply information and tools to help them with their jobs. Apathy has consequences. Instead of asking how SAPA can expect any support if they can't maintain a website, you should be asking how SW pilots can expect any support if 50% can't even take 3 minutes to vote for their representatives. As a side note, the LOM would probably be included with a union and most of the benefits would be included for only 2%. JMO

Yeah, it's pretty sad how few partook in the election. It could just be my perception but we have a pilot group that on the whole really just wants to fly only a little and be paid a lot...many don't give half a hoot what is going on around them.

ClickClickBoom 01-15-2017 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by disillusioned (Post 2281702)
No skin in the game anymore but here is my take. You had 3 choices for Pres. but I'll focus on the EB selections.

First you had the current Pres who gave everyone a full list of all his accomplishments. The biggest one being all his work on LOM insurance which most people can't info about and may not get the 25% opt-in to even be implemented. Has been in SAPA since 2008 and EB for the last 4 years. Out of touch with the pilot group (hasn't flown the line and likes to make handshake deals with management), doesn't participate in any "discussions" outside conference calls or 1 on 1 phone calls. I once had to call him for help and he was so condescending and rude that I never bothered looking for help from him again. Openly against un-moderated discussion while hiding behind personal responsibility for slanderous comments on forum (even though it was proven otherwise and other solutions offered)

Second you had the current VP who has shown he was a proponent of open communication and getting feedback from the pilot group. Flies the line once a month to keep in touch with his peers, very active on the forums and his whole election platform was run on holding the company to policies and getting feedback from pilots on new policies. Wanted more formality with SAPA positions and more open communications to the pilot group. Was supported by what seemed like 80% of the SAPA representatives that were tired of how the felt SAPA was being run by the current Pres.

50% of SW pilots decided it wasn't worth their time to even vote and 60% of those that did decided they were okay with moderated communications and a President that likes to get cozy with management. They didn't want someone who would rock the boat or may take a job offer with mainline (Even though that was okay when the former Pres did the same thing just a year ago)

In summary you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate (or vote) for. I was excited for my former co-workers to get a President that was going to fight for them to make things better. Unfortunately, roughly 1,200 pilots decided that they didn't care about communication and a working website that would supply information and tools to help them with their jobs. Apathy has consequences. Instead of asking how SAPA can expect any support if they can't maintain a website, you should be asking how SW pilots can expect any support if 50% can't even take 3 minutes to vote for their representatives. As a side note, the LOM would probably be included with a union and most of the benefits would be included for only 2%. JMO

Little more simple and complex at the same time. The company got who they wanted, period. The apathy is complex, in good times the average guy/gal just wants to get their time and move on without any extra effort in an already busy/complex life. When times are bad. No one wants to rock the boat and take a chance of falling out of said boat.in the mean time the company continues to do exactly what it wants with little or no concern from pilots. The irony is, in an era where pilots now have choices, they are choosing to go elsewhere for a multitude of reasons, more than a few generated by the companies attitude of "doing whatever they want". The pilots are coming home to roost in other places on an increasing basis. The company isn't used to having pilots who have choices, the ones who are already here are foaming at the mouth to leave and the ones who aren't are looking for a path that minimizes the regional experience.
Anyone who has spent any time on reserve at a regional will attest, that it is a dubious experience on the best of days. The paradigm is shifting and the more agile and reactive regional will capatilize, and the others who dont will be scrambling for staff.....

HighFlight 01-15-2017 10:33 AM

I have both the 22" & 26" LW rollers. Both fit on the 200 just fine. I like the slight bit of extra room on the 26, it is my preferred roller.


Originally Posted by art aviator (Post 2281460)
Morning gents,
Odd question here and a tad off topic. I'm looking at interviewing roughly March - April, I've read this whole thread so I'm relatively up to speed.

I understand most guys are using the luggage works 22 inch suitcase, although the SO is looking at buying myself a very nice suitcase for the birthday, either a Globetrotter or Streamline. Does it have to be all black? Can it be a mix of colors (obviously tasteful dark browns, greens or navy). What issues are non commuters having if the bag is larger than 22 inches? Say 26?
Thanks


Squallrider 01-15-2017 11:38 AM

26 inch doesn't fit wheels in on anything so don't be that guy for 4 inches.

Clamslicker 01-15-2017 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by 93Sierra (Post 2278839)
When does the first class start at the new Den training center? Anybody going to the atp-ctp on the 4th and crj ground on the 27th?

I just got the call 2 days ago. I'll be doing ctp on the 4th in ATL, and starting crj ground the 27th. You as well?

EFBprobs 01-15-2017 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 2281724)
Little more simple and complex at the same time. The company got who they wanted, period. The apathy is complex, in good times the average guy/gal just wants to get their time and move on without any extra effort in an already busy/complex life. When times are bad. No one wants to rock the boat and take a chance of falling out of said boat.in the mean time the company continues to do exactly what it wants with little or no concern from pilots. The irony is, in an era where pilots now have choices, they are choosing to go elsewhere for a multitude of reasons, more than a few generated by the companies attitude of "doing whatever they want". The pilots are coming home to roost in other places on an increasing basis. The company isn't used to having pilots who have choices, the ones who are already here are foaming at the mouth to leave and the ones who aren't are looking for a path that minimizes the regional experience.
Anyone who has spent any time on reserve at a regional will attest, that it is a dubious experience on the best of days. The paradigm is shifting and the more agile and reactive regional will capatilize, and the others who dont will be scrambling for staff.....

Very well put. I believe one of the biggest parts of being agile and reactive in todays environment is controlling attrition. There are a lot of lifers here, and there are even more at ASA. These companies should be encouraging and assisting those looking for upward movement. It serves to benefit them. ASA was top heavy with so many 12+ year captains, they became too expensive to operate. Now they're losing their 200's. New hires are taking attrition into account big time.


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