It can take a while to be able to reliably hold them. They are pretty easy to give away. They are pretty popular.

Out west they credit ~4:44, so they're ... not so popular.

-Fox

That's kind of a generalization. There are stand ups crediting over 7 on the left coast.

Hmm, my entire month is split-duties all with credit at least 6:00. And I'm as far west as we get.

I think the point is some people love them, and some people can't deal with the minimal rest. I really wish they wouldn't CN stand-ups to the latter.

^^^^^ this, and there is a distribution of stand-ups. Some very attractive - others not so much.

Pay isn't even the primary issue. But associated with the way they are being paid: low paying = very little rest - and that is where the real problem is.

Most of my January award was standups, all crediting <= 5hrs. (I made the mistake of bidding "Allow standups", and I basically got all the standups...)

-Fox

I will agree with you on that. Although on the other hand, I find 20-leg 4 days WAY more fatiguing than even the lousiest standups. And getting a 4-day CN'd gives me the same feeling of sick horror I just had [EDITED FOR TOS]

I dont particularly like standups.. will do them now and again for JRM pay. I see the value of having them.. they make longer pairings more efficient. Pilot Mom's with kids love them, senior FO's with side businesses love them.. jr caltains commuting to DTW don't...

One thing a lot of people don't realize is that standups make locals and 2-days possible. Without them we'd see a lot less pairing diversity...